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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 5, 2013 16:11:23 GMT -5
The same seller that I won my Warriors of Plasm #1 in CGC 9.8 had another copy listed for 44.95 in his store. After I won mine, he ended the other copy because ''item no longer available". This might mean he had an offer for the book outside eBay, he might've changed his mind about selling it, or he may have ended it and will relist it again. With this development, there are now no slabbed Defiants for sale on the Bay, as far as I can tell. WoP#1 is the most common Defiant comic. I bought 10 copies at 55% off cover price the week it came out. The dealer took a loss on the book because he saw the market was oversaturated. If I were you, I'd go for the toughest slabs first rather than the easiest. That way your quest gets easier and you aren't creating competition for the harder to find issues. Sales started dropping significantly by Warriors of Plasm #5 with the last issue being the toughest to find. The last issue of Dark Dominion will be harder to find. Search thoroughly for a high grade Spanish version of Prudence and Caution #2. You might have to settle for a 9.2. It'll be very tough in 9.8 unless CGC is nice and wants to encourage collectors. Brother J sold a raw copy of that for about $18 if I recall. You will likely have to settle for a Green (?) label Birth of the Defiant Universe. I've only seen one unsigned copy online. Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 5, 2013 16:17:13 GMT -5
I could be wrong about this, but in my opinion most dealers and even collectors have probably given up on Defiants increasing in price. They've dumped them into quarter bins, and just not generally cared for them. I don't think there are a lot of the lower print run Defiants sitting out there in 9.6 or 9.8. I remember when the New Universe got so much disrespect, and none of the issues sold for more than 1.50. Now some of them sell for more, and some of those later issues aren't found listed in NM+ or better on eBay ever. There are still a LOT of anal collectors that have raw copies in their collections. On some earlier issues there are probably unsold cases sitting around. Later issues would be more difficult, that's why you need to chase those first. Collectors sometimes play follow the leader. If they see you going for a set, it'll make them more interested. Maybe not interested enough, but who knows. Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 5, 2013 16:25:23 GMT -5
UPDATE: I hadn't checked mycomicshop's price on Warriors of Plasm #13 in vf in a week or two, and just noticed they raised it on their eBay listings four days ago to 1.75, and on their webstie to 2.10. Very interesting timing, as I've obviously just began discussing this on the board. According to their eBay listing, they have 5 copies in stock of Warriors of Plasm 13 in vf. I've of the bought them out of a listing on eBay, and find those quantities listed in their eBay store of a book are often the actual quantities they have in stock. I wouldn't be tempted by a VF copy. Collectors are snobs these days. Clearing them out might frustrate a collector or two, but I'm not sure it's worth what it'd cost to hoard this comic and artificially make the comic seem more rare. Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 5, 2013 16:28:52 GMT -5
After I bought Mile High out of some of the later Defiant issues a couple years ago, Chuck raised his prices on them significantly. Case in point, this is the only Warriors of Plasm 13 listed as nm for sale on eBay. (Chuck has it at 14.40, for those who don't care to click on the link). Over the last couple years I also bought out mycomicshop and searchlight comics on this issue in nm. As an aside that I've mentioned elsewhere on the board, I also bought CorvetteJim's Defiant comics. Mycomicshop still has a few copies of Warriors of Plasm 13 in vf at 1.30* ea, which I happen to think is underpriced. Within a couple years I expect mycomicshop to raise their price on some of the later issues of Defiant. I've studied them over the course of time on similar books before, having observed what they did on New Universe back issues and Milestone back issues, particularly the harder to find ones, and have studies what they've done over the course of time on other prices as well. Mile High tends to raise prices too fast, and mycomicshop tends to raise prices too slow, in my opinion. *I check mycomicshop's price on Warriors of Plasm 13 several times a month, and when I wrote this post I assumed they were still at 1.30 on Warriors of Plasm 13 in vf, as I just checked last week. However, they have just raised their price on this book to 1.75. www.ebay.com/itm/WARRIORS-OF-PLASM-13-Near-Mint-Comics-Book-/281156808579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4176406f83Those two want to be places for one stop shopping. They need the later issues to sell sets and move the much more common early issues. I think they would jack up prices if you kept buying them out of the harder to find issue. Defiant1
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Post by vikingspawn on Sept 6, 2013 22:11:22 GMT -5
Compiling a set would make someone else want one. Defiant1 Also, I've always believed sooner or later nostalgia will kick in in the marketplace when it comes to Defiant. There're still four months left to commemorate Defiant/Plasm's 20th Anniversary this year. And Dark Dominion. They should have a Shooter panel for one at the NYCC or something. 2014 could have it for War Dancer and Charlemange too. 2015 is Broadway's 20th too. Didn't they do one for Atlas Comics? And I never heard of them...
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 6, 2013 23:42:56 GMT -5
Also, I've always believed sooner or later nostalgia will kick in in the marketplace when it comes to Defiant. There're still four months left to commemorate Defiant/Plasm's 20th Anniversary this year. And Dark Dominion. They should have a Shooter panel for one at the NYCC or something. 2014 could have it for War Dancer and Charlemange too. 2015 is Broadway's 20th too. Didn't they do one for Atlas Comics? And I never heard of them... I can't imagine a celebration occurring. Atlas? atlaschecklist.50webs.com/Atlas_Seaboard_Comics_Index.htmlThey were like Marvel, but paid the creators more and hired some of the best. Defiant1
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Post by starseed on Sept 7, 2013 14:52:09 GMT -5
Also, I've always believed sooner or later nostalgia will kick in in the marketplace when it comes to Defiant. I'm skeptical unless Jim actually starts doing something actively in the industry. At the peak of my traffic here, prices did rise. With nothing new being brought forth, almost all of my Defiant related web traffic has died. Broadway has always been a marginal draw to get people here. The majority of my web traffic on all my sites is is people looking for EC scans and info. Charlton is my second biggest attraction. That's not saying that web discussion here couldn't pique people's curiosity, but for the most part there's nothing new to bring forward. Controversy and news are the two biggest draws to a comic book messageboard. I can't imagine there's too much controversy relating to Defiant Comics so that leaves very little reason for people to discuss Defiant and visit. Defiant1 Interesting analysis.
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Post by starseed on Sept 7, 2013 14:54:40 GMT -5
Also, I've always believed sooner or later nostalgia will kick in in the marketplace when it comes to Defiant. There're still four months left to commemorate Defiant/Plasm's 20th Anniversary this year. And Dark Dominion. They should have a Shooter panel for one at the NYCC or something. 2014 could have it for War Dancer and Charlemange too. 2015 is Broadway's 20th too. Didn't they do one for Atlas Comics? And I never heard of them... Chuck from Mile High has always claimed twenty years if the magic age for comics to rise in value.
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Post by starseed on Sept 7, 2013 16:16:59 GMT -5
I could be wrong about this, but in my opinion most dealers and even collectors have probably given up on Defiants increasing in price. They've dumped them into quarter bins, and just not generally cared for them. I don't think there are a lot of the lower print run Defiants sitting out there in 9.6 or 9.8. I remember when the New Universe got so much disrespect, and none of the issues sold for more than 1.50. Now some of them sell for more, and some of those later issues aren't found listed in NM+ or better on eBay ever. There are still a LOT of anal collectors that have raw copies in their collections. On some earlier issues there are probably unsold cases sitting around. Later issues would be more difficult, that's why you need to chase those first. Collectors sometimes play follow the leader. If they see you going for a set, it'll make them more interested. Maybe not interested enough, but who knows. Defiant1 When I bought Defiants from the big boys I bought multiple copies of the later issues and left the earlier ones alone. I was picking those up at a good price. I had to buy a slabbed Warriors of Plasm 1 at some point, and I found the price I picked that one up at to be solid, as it wasn't much more than the price CGC charges for getting a book slabbed.
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 7, 2013 20:31:58 GMT -5
There are still a LOT of anal collectors that have raw copies in their collections. On some earlier issues there are probably unsold cases sitting around. Later issues would be more difficult, that's why you need to chase those first. Collectors sometimes play follow the leader. If they see you going for a set, it'll make them more interested. Maybe not interested enough, but who knows. Defiant1 When I bought Defiants from the big boys I bought multiple copies of the later issues and left the earlier ones alone. I was picking those up at a good price. I had to buy a slabbed Warriors of Plasm 1 at some point, and I found the price I picked that one up at to be solid, as it wasn't much more than the price CGC charges for getting a book slabbed. That's the way to go. I'm just hoping you realize that copycats may be inspired by your goal and start competing, so it's better not to advertise that you are buying up slabs until you have the HTF stuff secured already. Also, you may find sellers submitting their books and posting high BIN's on eBay hoping to squeeze every extra dollar they can get out of you. Defiant1
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Post by starseed on Sept 7, 2013 20:40:14 GMT -5
When I bought Defiants from the big boys I bought multiple copies of the later issues and left the earlier ones alone. I was picking those up at a good price. I had to buy a slabbed Warriors of Plasm 1 at some point, and I found the price I picked that one up at to be solid, as it wasn't much more than the price CGC charges for getting a book slabbed. That's the way to go. I'm just hoping you realize that copycats may be inspired by your goal and start competing, so it's better not to advertise that you are buying up slabs until you have the HTF stuff secured already. Also, you may find sellers submitting their books and posting high BIN's on eBay hoping to squeeze every extra dollar they can get out of you. Defiant1 Good points. It should be interesting to see if we are right about this getting others involved in slabbing Defiants.
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 7, 2013 21:23:15 GMT -5
That's the way to go. I'm just hoping you realize that copycats may be inspired by your goal and start competing, so it's better not to advertise that you are buying up slabs until you have the HTF stuff secured already. Also, you may find sellers submitting their books and posting high BIN's on eBay hoping to squeeze every extra dollar they can get out of you. Defiant1 Good points. It should be interesting to see if we are right about this getting others involved in slabbing Defiants. Tactically, it's best to secure the HTF issues first and don't let people know. Later post the common ones as you buy them up. If you do that and copycats do show up, no one can jack you around on price for the HTF stuff. For years I mulled over whether to buy a complete Atlas set (70's). My feeling was that it wasn't going to be very rewarding if I got a near-complete set and was completely missing Gothic Romances (and later My Secret) magazine. I made those my first goal and was lucky to find both. My next goal was Vicki#3 & #4. I knocked those off the list early. Completing a set is downhill for me now. Some of the magazines will be tough locally, but NOTHING compared to acquiring My Secret magazine. There's only about 9 copies known to be in the hands of collectors. Nobody can hold it for ransom and I CAN complete the rest in any grade I want without feeling the shame of having a near-complete set. Yeah... someone does have nicer copies of the two magazines, but at least I can complete the set in one form or another. I'm not knocking anyone who opts out on those, but I wasn't going to pursue any of it if a complete set was unobtainable. Defiant1
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Post by starseed on Sept 21, 2013 17:06:22 GMT -5
In the batch of comics I recently submitted to CGC was a Dark Dominion #10. (can't remember if I mentioned that already, and don't feel like checking) CGC now lists the batch as graded, but haven't posted the grades yet. They should post them shortly. Obviously I'm hoping for a 9.8 or higher, but even a 9.6 or 9.4 will be cool. I will soon own the only copy of Dark Dominion #10 slabbed. And so the slow process of submitting Defiant books to CGC begins.
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 21, 2013 17:35:54 GMT -5
In the batch of comics I recently submitted to CGC was a Dark Dominion #10. (can't remember if I mentioned that already, and don't feel like checking) CGC now lists the batch as graded, but haven't posted the grades yet. They should post them shortly. Obviously I'm hoping for a 9.8 or higher, but even a 9.6 or 9.4 will be cool. I will soon own the only copy of Dark Dominion #10 slabbed. And so the slow process of submitting Defiant books to CGC begins. That's a good one to have first if you are going for a set. When I was making my Defiant site and posting summaries, I opened that issue and thought "cool". The visuals were just dragging and that issue took things a new direction.
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Post by Brother J on Oct 9, 2013 17:55:10 GMT -5
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 9, 2013 18:36:02 GMT -5
He probably cringed when he was asked to sign that. He's ashamed of his early work. Defiant1
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Post by starseed on Oct 10, 2013 10:40:11 GMT -5
Wow! Cool stuff. I just searched the CGC Census and also found a Dark Dominion 7 SS has been slabbed, I assume by the same seller. He doesn't have it listed under current listings, nor is it under his completed listings. Maybe he sold it off eBay or decided to keep it.
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Post by starseed on Oct 10, 2013 14:01:16 GMT -5
Btw, thanks for posting those links, bro-j. I would love to own those, and if they happen to last until my budget permits me to put more monies into my Defiant slab collection I'll make offers on them. I've never been interested in SS books before, and have no idea what the market is on them, though.
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 10, 2013 16:25:56 GMT -5
Btw, thanks for posting those links, bro-j. I would love to own those, and if they happen to last until my budget permits me to put more monies into my Defiant slab collection I'll make offers on them. I've never been interested in SS books before, and have no idea what the market is on them, though. They don't appeal to me but I think they perform well if the signatures are relevant. Defiant1
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