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Post by Brother J on Jun 25, 2006 21:59:15 GMT -5
I just got done reading Knights of Broadway for the first time! Yeah, I know...what took so long? Needless to say, I'm curious about what happened after issue #3. Are there any unpublished scripts out there for future issues of KOB?
My thoughts about KOB: Why does this book remind me of Unity so much? It's almost like the Erica Pierce character was taken and split into two characters for this series, Tammy and her mother. Tammy for her dogged pursuit of her work, and the mother, who seems almost as sick and twisted to me as the Mother God ever was. I didn't think I was going to like this book when it did the jump forward into the future with the Knights, but I really enjoyed it.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 25, 2006 22:12:54 GMT -5
I just got done reading Knights of Broadway for the first time! Yeah, I know...what took so long? Needless to say, I'm curious about what happened after issue #3. Are there any unpublished scripts out there for future issues of KOB? My thoughts about KOB: Why does this book remind me of Unity so much? It's almost like the Erica Pierce character was taken and split into two characters for this series, Tammy and her mother. Tammy for her dogged pursuit of her work, and the mother, who seems almost as sick and twisted to me as the Mother God ever was. I didn't think I was going to like this book when it did the jump forward into the future with the Knights, but I really enjoyed it. I thought the series was great. I was a bit disturbed by the kid's ability to make high tech stuff, but that was bearable. I don't get the whole "kid" angle in comics. "Good Guys" bothered me for the exact same reason. I like kids, but I detest kids being portrayed as adults. I've met quite a few kids, they're very naive and blind to the ways of the world. Stephen Spielburg movies annoy me because of the kids (except Munich where they don't star.. it's a masterpiece). Kevin Vanhook took over some of Jim Shooter's plots. We know that. We know he rushed the whole timeline for Bloodshot. I've always felt that Knight On Broadway was a seed on an idea started from Solar. I've always felt that it was creatively linked to the storyline from Solar #19. www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/issue.asp?cn=632I may be wrong, but I just feel the grid aspect is very similar. Defiant1 |
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Post by Brother J on Jun 25, 2006 23:41:34 GMT -5
Hmm, the appearance is similar, but other than that, I didn't connect them. The Solar issue was supposed to be some kind of virtual reality machine gone wrong (if I recall correctly), while the Knights' armor seemed to be connected to energy derived from a man made "black hole".
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Post by Quato on Jun 26, 2006 8:01:56 GMT -5
Hmm, the appearance is similar, but other than that, I didn't connect them. The Solar issue was supposed to be some kind of virtual reality machine gone wrong (if I recall correctly), while the Knights' armor seemed to be connected to energy derived from a man made "black hole". Easy gap to bridge if you introduce the virtual reality into the real world and then give it a power source. That is essentially what happened. There is a prototype KOB toy out there somewhere. Q |
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Post by toddluck on Jun 26, 2006 19:44:24 GMT -5
I just got done reading Knights of Broadway for the first time! Yeah, I know...what took so long? Needless to say, I'm curious about what happened after issue #3. Are there any unpublished scripts out there for future issues of KOB? God I wish there were scripts or a plot that surfaced but we can at least infer a few things about what was next from various sources. From advanced ads,solicitations, ect we know the Blackwhite Knight turns on Tamy and fights the Knights. There's mentions that he thinks Tammy will destroy the Earth accidently (losing control of a black hole) and he has to stop her (which may involve taking over the world). He sets up base in the remains of the planet that was destroyed in the prologue of issue 1, which is the astroid belt in out Solar System. The "ghosts" of the aliens become his Void Warriors ("Empty shells of metal filled with ancient hate"). From the pin up Babes on Broadway, we know Tammy's mom comes with him (and is instumental in his betrayal). Miracle on Broadway had Tammy (a bit older in the present day) zipping around on a flying skate board acting as the Knight's Jr. Professor X. The rest is lost to to cancelation limbo  |
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Post by Quato on Jun 26, 2006 19:57:00 GMT -5
I just got done reading Knights of Broadway for the first time! Yeah, I know...what took so long? Needless to say, I'm curious about what happened after issue #3. Are there any unpublished scripts out there for future issues of KOB? God I wish there were scripts or a plot that surfaced but we can at least infer a few things about what was next from various sources. From advanced ads,solicitations, ect we know the Blackwhite Knight turns on Tamy and fights the Knights. There's mentions that he thinks Tammy will destroy the Earth accidently (losing control of a black hole) and he has to stop her (which may involve taking over the world). He sets up base in the remains of the planet that was destroyed in the prologue of issue 1, which is the astroid belt in out Solar System. The "ghosts" of the aliens become his Void Warriors ("Empty shells of metal filled with ancient hate"). From the pin up Babes on Broadway, we know Tammy's mom comes with him (and is instumental in his betrayal). Miracle on Broadway had Tammy (a bit older in the present day) zipping around on a flying skate board acting as the Knight's Jr. Professor X. The rest is lost to to cancelation limbo I dom't remember who was scripting it. Tony Bedard said he has none of his old Broadway Comics scripts. Q |
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Post by toddluck on Jun 26, 2006 20:05:18 GMT -5
God I wish there were scripts or a plot that surfaced but we can at least infer a few things about what was next from various sources. From advanced ads,solicitations, ect we know the Blackwhite Knight turns on Tamy and fights the Knights. There's mentions that he thinks Tammy will destroy the Earth accidently (losing control of a black hole) and he has to stop her (which may involve taking over the world). He sets up base in the remains of the planet that was destroyed in the prologue of issue 1, which is the astroid belt in out Solar System. The "ghosts" of the aliens become his Void Warriors ("Empty shells of metal filled with ancient hate"). From the pin up Babes on Broadway, we know Tammy's mom comes with him (and is instumental in his betrayal). Miracle on Broadway had Tammy (a bit older in the present day) zipping around on a flying skate board acting as the Knight's Jr. Professor X. The rest is lost to to cancelation limbo I dom't remember who was scripting it. Tony Bedard said he has none of his old Broadway Comics scripts. Q Joe James was the writer of the series (he recieved solo writing credits on it) |
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Post by Quato on Jun 27, 2006 0:35:42 GMT -5
I dom't remember who was scripting it. Tony Bedard said he has none of his old Broadway Comics scripts. Q Joe James was the writer of the series (he recieved solo writing credits on it) That makes sense. I knew Bedard was working on Star Seed. Q |
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Post by toddluck on Jul 2, 2006 7:54:07 GMT -5
I just got done reading Knights of Broadway for the first time! Yeah, I know...what took so long? Needless to say, I'm curious about what happened after issue #3. Are there any unpublished scripts out there for future issues of KOB? God I wish there were scripts or a plot that surfaced but we can at least infer a few things about what was next from various sources. From advanced ads,solicitations, ect we know the Blackwhite Knight turns on Tamy and fights the Knights. There's mentions that he thinks Tammy will destroy the Earth accidently (losing control of a black hole) and he has to stop her (which may involve taking over the world). He sets up base in the remains of the planet that was destroyed in the prologue of issue 1, which is the astroid belt in out Solar System. The "ghosts" of the aliens become his Void Warriors ("Empty shells of metal filled with ancient hate"). From the pin up Babes on Broadway, we know Tammy's mom comes with him (and is instumental in his betrayal). Miracle on Broadway had Tammy (a bit older in the present day) zipping around on a flying skate board acting as the Knight's Jr. Professor X. The rest is lost to to cancelation limbo A couple things to add. I already posted the quote that said the first plotline ended in issue 7 and was leading into the first x-over. But I just noticed something while skimming the scenes where Tammy is having visions of the future. They're fighting the same guy, Cross, in each of the visions and he's uses engineered viruses to destroy civilization in each one. Tammy says in one that he must have started from an alien source for the virus and in another Cross spouts out stuff about how humanity will be better off with most of its population wiped out. He's carrying on Cyrus's work (the villian of Star Seed who kidnapped Cor's dad and was using his technology to cook up stuff like that). That rocks they put a subtle little connection like that in there. |
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Post by Quato on Jul 2, 2006 9:05:51 GMT -5
A couple things to add. I already posted the quote that said the first plotline ended in issue 7 and was leading into the first x-over. But I just noticed something while skimming the scenes where Tammy is having visions of the future. They're fighting the same guy, Cross, in each of the visions and he's uses engineered viruses to destroy civilization in each one. Tammy says in one that he must have started from an alien source for the virus and in another Cross spouts out stuff about how humanity will be better off with most of its population wiped out. He's carrying on Cyrus's work (the villian of Star Seed who kidnapped Cor's dad and was using his technology to cook up stuff like that). That rocks they put a subtle little connection like that in there. There is no way I'd have made any connections like that. Keepng up with it as it unfolded was a task enough. Q |
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Post by toddluck on Jul 2, 2006 18:27:22 GMT -5
Another thing I caught skimming the issue 3. Tammy tells Jacob Noir (the future Blackwhite Knight) that she invented high definition television and sold the patent to Japan to fund her operation. So that's where that came from! LOL
I bet that's a valuable issue...it's the origin of high definition television! ;D
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Post by Quato on Jul 2, 2006 18:42:42 GMT -5
Another thing I caught skimming the issue 3. Tammy tells Jacob Noir (the future Blackwhite Knight) that she invented high definition television and sold the patent to Japan to fund her operation. So that's where that came from! LOL I bet that's a valuable issue...it's the origin of high definition television! ;D Nice touch I'll concede. I just wish they'd speed it along and really use it. Our high def channels look no better that the regular ones. Q |
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Post by stjames on Nov 27, 2006 0:57:10 GMT -5
I was really surprised to read some of the comments regarding KOB and I'm really glad some of you enjoyed it.
There are unpublished Knights on Broadway scripts. Plots and even art if I'm not mistaken. Absolutely.
If anyone is interested just drop me a message. And it's legit, I wrote the comic.
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Post by Defiant1 on Nov 27, 2006 2:17:55 GMT -5
I was really surprised to read some of the comments regarding KOB and I'm really glad some of you enjoyed it. There are unpublished Knights on Broadway scripts. Plots and even art if I'm not mistaken. Absolutely. If anyone is interested just drop me a message. And it's legit, I wrote the comic. Welcome Mr. James. I would love to post any newly uncovered scripts and art if possible. Broadway Comics was one of my favorite companies to read. I'm not going to lie. Star Seed was my favorite, but KOB was capturing my attention just as much. I looked forward to seeing where it was going. Members here have even speculated that J. Scott Cambell's Wildsiderz is a swipe of the KOB concept. As You may or may not know, I had a much larger tribute site to Broadway and Defiant Comics than I do now. My driving goal in keeping the sites active back then was getting the unpublished work available to fans. Unfortunately all the people like yourself that have the art & stories are busy people and it became evident that good intentions are only that. The flow stopped. I downsized my sites after lack of progress in getting new material and time contraints in my personal life. I am a huge fan of this stuff, but I quickly discovered that bringing the past brought up a lot of mixed emotions with creators both good, bad, and perplexing. Rather than guess what pleased or upset people, most of my site was downsized to just a checklist. If you are able, willing and can get me copies of any unpublished art or scripts for Broadway, I will gladly post it on a web site. I'd even be willing to revive some of the previous unpublished content I had posted to go with it. I own most of the original unpublished art for the Makeshift series. I believe I have copies of all the unpublished scripts. I own a copy of the Star Seed #10 script. I have some Fatale scripts that Janet sent me. I have no unpublished works from Knight on Broadway. Anything you can provide would be appreciated. If you own the prototype toy, I think fans would even love to see pictures that. Last but not least, if you want to sell a copy of Miracle on Broadway or the Inherit the Earth hardback... you might have some buyers. Some are saying I've heralded a revival of fans collecting dead universes. I love seeing new life come out of this material. It's only a dead universe if we keep it that way. Defiant1 |
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Post by Brother J on Nov 27, 2006 6:25:45 GMT -5
I'd love to see anything that would be available. Broadway was a great comic line that died a premature death and anything new that could be made available would be greatly appreciated. Also, I would definitely be one who would be in the market for a copy of the Miracle on Broadway comic or the Fatale hardcover, two items I have been trying to locate for a long time. Hope to hear from you again, Mr. James!
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Post by Andrew R on Nov 27, 2007 23:37:39 GMT -5
I'd love to see more of KOB. Of all the Broadway comics, KOB was the one I was the most into. I thought the writing and art was compeling and was upset that the series ended ubruptly (along with the rest of the Broadway Universe). Anything that showcases more of that story would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 3, 2008 20:42:23 GMT -5
Was backtracking page referals. Someone found this thread searching for unpublished Broadway on Google. As I reread this again I can't help but roll my eyes. I cannot count the number of creators that have said essentially the same exact thing and not made one single effort to be true to their offer. I'm sure these creators are great people if you know them and they have an ounce of respect for you...but who are they talking to when they post comments like Joe did above? I did email Joe back after this post and got absolutely nothing from him. He never posted again. It's very difficult for me to take any creator seriously when they visit anymore. The first thing that I do when I see something resembling a promise is laugh.
Hey Joe... if you are reading this.... sorry... that's how I feel. If you were the first person to write a post like that, I might be a heck of a lot more excited or enthusiastic. As It is, I sometimes feel compelled to write down a list of creators, their generous comments, and then compare that to reality after a year.
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Post by vikingspawn on Jun 4, 2008 23:44:13 GMT -5
I hear alot of this by writers and artists in other forums and mailing lists too. They'll come on and say they have "unfinished/never printed before" stuff to share...fans get excited...and then you never hear from the creators again. Zero response. They do it all the time.
They'll hype things up and say "Oh, I have the pages here somewhere but I can't think of getting around to then now but I will soon." Or "I do have the originals and they are great but I can't imagine to scan them....maybe I'll make time one of these days." Then they disappear. It's like "why even bother posting promises like that?" It's super obnoxious of them when they do that. I'm talking about other big names I've heard from too and they do this at the Con panels and interviews as well. lol
There are creators who are really great though about delivering on thier promises but with others, it's not worth it to get hopes up until they actually deliver.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 5, 2008 6:30:35 GMT -5
In the words of Blackie Lawless "Hope's the rope that keeps you tied in knots, the torture never stops."
I can turn off what I want and i think that pisses off some creators. They held things like this for ransom hoping to evoke some reaction and my response at that point is "go find something else to do."
I get tired of it. I've heard nothing but good things about Joe, so I'm not knocking him as a person. I'm questioning his judgment on whether his effort to post that was relevant to anything. I just don't think creators know how comments like that make them look. I'm not into "feel good" posts for the sake of just talking. I'd rather someone call me an S.O.B. and then walk away thinking "hey, he's right".
If he just wanted his name in print, I could promote the hell out of his name in far more subtle and effective ways.
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