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Post by toddluck on Jun 25, 2005 13:16:36 GMT -5
You can apply the same question to Broadway. I'm wondering what it would take to get them in print again. The company that owns them isn't using them in any way other than to build the number of characters they own so they can sound impressive to stockholders or whoever. If a comic company wanted to license them out and make something out of them (like Shooter did with Gold Key at Valiant) I bet they wouldn't mind. Of course you'ld have to get Shooter on board for the new comics to be accepted by the fans (and be any good  . It's a shame he's not more attached to the stuff he creates, but he's shown a willingness to write stuff as a side project under right circumstances. Of course, getting any company to sign on to that would be hard. None of the characters where around long enough to see if they had any mass appeal or not(unlike Valiant or Crossgen). I think they would work but it would be a huge gamble for a company to take. I guess that's why no one has done it. Just some wishful thinking... |
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 26, 2005 0:34:49 GMT -5
You can apply the same question to Broadway. I'm wondering what it would take to get them in print again. The company that owns them isn't using them in any way other than to build the number of characters they own so they can sound impressive to stockholders or whoever. If a comic company wanted to license them out and make something out of them (like Shooter did with Gold Key at Valiant) I bet they wouldn't mind. Of course you'ld have to get Shooter on board for the new comics to be accepted by the fans (and be any good . It's a shame he's not more attached to the stuff he creates, but he's shown a willingness to write stuff as a side project under right circumstances. Of course, getting any company to sign on to that would be hard. None of the characters where around long enough to see if they had any mass appeal or not(unlike Valiant or Crossgen). I think they would work but it would be a huge gamble for a company to take. I guess that's why no one has done it. Just some wishful thinking... I think it would take another pitch of toy sales and video game sales potential to get the financial backing. The only complication I see is that someone might have to license War Dancer from Alan & Pauline Weiss in the process and that is a huge "IF' because Alan and Pauline might not want to open that door to the past. War Dancer was a lynch pin. I think a reboot of Defiant is far more feasible than a reboot of Valiant. War Dancer can dance around without the rest of the defiant Universe and the defiant universe could exist without War Dancer if an alternate origin were substituted. I think a post Schism universe could start however a writer wanted it to start. As far as fans are concerned it never really happened. The books were never published. I would restart Dark Dominion in a high quality B&W format so the printing costs would be as cheap as possible and it could make money. I'd start numbering with issue #10 and start number backwards to number one. I would break from my normal desire of continuity, but I'd make each issue compelling by having something of extremely great significance happen in each issue. The story would read in the same way that the movie Momento progressed (backwards). You could also have it told like the movie 'The red violin", but explain the evolution of the story backwards. One of the reasons Solar #1-10 are my favorite comics is because the reader was learning about Solar's past AS he was figuring it out himself in the Solar #0 insert. Splitting of the TPB's ruined 50% of what awed me as a reader. I preach the values of continuity, in a story, but telling a Dark Dominion story backwards has a marketing angle also. Hype a #10 as a first issue and get your largest sales on a book in the middle of the series... put Jim Shooter's name on it, get a big name 70's or 80's cover artists for each cover. It WILL spark conversation. Nobody gives a d**n about ads. Ads are a waste of money. Hype has to create a spark at the retailer level and especially at the cash register. Nowhere else. Not while reading a fan magazine at the grocery store, not while the collector is washing his genitals for the 8th time in a row in the shower. It has to happen in the comic book store. #1 should be the payoff that Jim Shooter normally delivers in the 8th or 10th issue. I'd make each story slightly above the average readers intelligence level. If the reader doesn't learn something about the world we live in or the possibilities of Quantum physics, they aren't challenged enough. It needs to be just as startling as the quantum physics movie "what the Bleep Do We Know" which has been watched twice or more by every single person I've loaned it to on DVD. Nobody has returned that movie to me without saying "I had to watch it again" "If" the series gets noticed, plan of having a Wizard of oz transformation to color with issue #11. #1 could optionally be a mixed color & B&W issue. Whatever happened in 1-10 needs to be universe shaking. The story needs to read EITHER forward or backward after it is completed. Dark Dominion's title should tie into the reason the first issues are B&W. My thought is that the stories take place exclusively in the Dark Dominion "quantum" world rather than the hard world. . If enough earth shattering events occur, Michael could actually relive some of the #1-10 events as a second incarnation of himself that is popping in and out of the Dark Dominion. He could learn more about what happened to himself or others during his 10 issue "origin" down the road. After having said that, it would be one of the most challenging and complex stories ever written for comics. I think comics need to be stepped up 10 notches and I think Jim Shooter could do it if he was inspired enough to care. I'd love to also see some Fastner & Larsen work in the mix, but I know they've never really worked with Jim. They love featuring demonic characters in their work, so Dark Dominion seems well suited for them. Defiant1 |
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Post by architect on Jun 26, 2005 3:16:30 GMT -5
A wing and a prayer. The books were not that great. I only jumped on board in the beginning because of Shooter. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 26, 2005 14:49:50 GMT -5
A wing and a prayer. The books were not that great. I only jumped on board in the beginning because of Shooter. But we all know that isn't going to happen. -A It's easy to look at an unfinished work and say "that wasn't great". I think Defiant had more potential than Valiant was delivering during the same time period. |
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Post by toddluck on Jun 26, 2005 22:20:37 GMT -5
A wing and a prayer. The books were not that great. I only jumped on board in the beginning because of Shooter. But we all know that isn't going to happen. -A It's easy to look at an unfinished work and say "that wasn't great". I think Defiant had more potential than Valiant was delivering during the same time period. Consider what some of the Valiant titles were like at the time that's setting the bar pretty low. I'ld say Defiant was better than any superhero line at the time, with the exception of Milestone. |
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 26, 2005 22:39:32 GMT -5
It's easy to look at an unfinished work and say "that wasn't great". I think Defiant had more potential than Valiant was delivering during the same time period. Consider what some of the Valiant titles were like at the time that's setting the bar pretty low. I'ld say Defiant was better than any superhero line at the time, with the exception of Milestone. Wow! That makes me sound nice for a change. I never read even one Milestone book. I hope they were better than the Static cartoon. I'm sure they were. Defiant1 |
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Post by Brother J on Jun 27, 2005 10:51:44 GMT -5
Consider what some of the Valiant titles were like at the time that's setting the bar pretty low. I'ld say Defiant was better than any superhero line at the time, with the exception of Milestone. Wow! That makes me sound nice for a change. I never read even one Milestone book. I hope they were better than the Static cartoon. I'm sure they were. Defiant1 I have a complete run of Static, and I would definitely say the comic is much better than the cartoon. If you want teenagers who really act like teenagers, this is the book for you. |
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Post by toddluck on Jun 27, 2005 10:53:45 GMT -5
Consider what some of the Valiant titles were like at the time that's setting the bar pretty low. I'ld say Defiant was better than any superhero line at the time, with the exception of Milestone. Wow! That makes me sound nice for a change. I never read even one Milestone book. I hope they were better than the Static cartoon. I'm sure they were. Defiant1 Nice? We'ld never make that mistake  ;D Yeah, Milestone was MUCH better than the cartoon. It's very much like what Shooter was putting out in the 90's. Their stories revolved around human characters and human reactions, had tight, interconnected continuity, explored the social issues of the time realistically, and used some Quantum physics as the basis for Bang Babies (the science isn't as "hard" as Shooter's but it's still very intrigueing). Very original, very good stuff. And JJ helped them develop their color processing (which was amazing when they published on newsprint). Joe James did something for them too but I can't remember what now. I highly recommend ANY of their solo titles, especially Icon, Xombi, and the first couple years of Hardware. I always thought the team books had some really intrigueing ideas and characters but just weren't up to snuff on the art and story. |
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 27, 2005 14:37:50 GMT -5
Wow! That makes me sound nice for a change. I never read even one Milestone book. I hope they were better than the Static cartoon. I'm sure they were. Defiant1 Nice? We'ld never make that mistake ;D Yeah, Milestone was MUCH better than the cartoon. It's very much like what Shooter was putting out in the 90's. Their stories revolved around human characters and human reactions, had tight, interconnected continuity, explored the social issues of the time realistically, and used some Quantum physics as the basis for Bang Babies (the science isn't as "hard" as Shooter's but it's still very intrigueing). Very original, very good stuff. And JJ helped them develop their color processing (which was amazing when they published on newsprint). Joe James did something for them too but I can't remember what now. I highly recommend ANY of their solo titles, especially Icon, Xombi, and the first couple years of Hardware. I always thought the team books had some really intrigueing ideas and characters but just weren't up to snuff on the art and story. I knew Janet had worked on some stuff because my friend has a cover or something she did. It's not anything I would have bid on, but it struck me as odd that she was involved at all. I might have an issue of hardware that I picked up in a bulk lot purchase. It's probably a newstand issue like the handful of Malibu issues I eneded up with. Defiant1 |
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Post by toddluck on Jun 30, 2005 9:04:08 GMT -5
I almost forgot to say that I agree with Defiant1 on bringing back Dark Dominion. I think in merchandise and licensing it has the best chance of all the concepts, followed by Plasm. Dark Dominion and Fatale would probably be the two concepts most likely to make it as comic. I think b & w could work on them.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jun 30, 2005 16:28:57 GMT -5
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Post by toddluck on Jun 30, 2005 19:42:47 GMT -5
Ha! I'ld forgotten about that script. See? They already a crossover story written. It's perfect! ;D |
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. It's a shame he's not more attached to the stuff he creates, but he's shown a willingness to write stuff as a side project under right circumstances. 
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