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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 19, 2004 20:55:29 GMT -5
I really thought Dogs of War was innovative... and shocking...
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 20, 2004 1:57:09 GMT -5
My favorite was the Good Guys. I also liked Dogs of War, and I was liking Dark Dominion quite a bit, too.
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 20, 2004 5:52:35 GMT -5
My favorite was the Good Guys. I also liked Dogs of War, and I was liking Dark Dominion quite a bit, too. People gave up too soon. Just about anyone who complains about Dark Dominion quit reading before issue #6. I just remember that being a turning point. I will go back and reread them in the upcoming months. Defiant1 |
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 20, 2004 5:54:52 GMT -5
My favorite was the Good Guys. I tried to make an Icarus Avatar for you to use... I wasn't happy with it... Defiant1 |
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 25, 2004 13:35:29 GMT -5
That would've been cool. I wish Shooter would publish some books through Phobos with the Defiant characters in them. I don't know how the copyright laws work, but it would be awesome if he could get into comic publishing again.
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 26, 2004 22:27:24 GMT -5
That would've been cool. I wish Shooter would publish some books through Phobos with the Defiant characters in them. I don't know how the copyright laws work, but it would be awesome if he could get into comic publishing again. He'd have to license them from Western/Golden Books...and if he was doing that... well.... he'd also have access to Magnus, Solar, and Broadway characters too. Yeah, that would be great. The rumors are that he's going to be (or is) working on some web comics online. Unfortunately, that does not appeal to me. Defiant1 |
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Post by Todd Luck on Mar 27, 2004 11:39:59 GMT -5
I would probably have to say Plasm was my favorite series but it's really tough choice...
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 27, 2004 12:09:23 GMT -5
I would probably have to say Plasm was my favorite series but it's really tough choice... Glad to see you found the messageboard! Plasm was a solid consistent effort, and I liked it, but I didn't see it lasting. Some story plots are like vacation resorts..... they are fun to visit, but you don't want to live there. I would have rather seen Plasm is small well defined doses rather than see it as an ongoing series. Defiant1 |
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 31, 2004 18:29:52 GMT -5
I have most of the Plasm issues. I like them okay. They're a nice alternative. I prefer the books with an urban feel to them. Also, I wouldn't mind online books (referring to the possibility of Shooter doing more comics). I would be really happy if he were doing characters from Defiant and Broadway again, but I too would prefer if they were actual comics instead of online.
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 1, 2004 12:01:42 GMT -5
I have most of the Plasm issues. I like them okay. They're a nice alternative. I prefer the books with an urban feel to them. Also, I wouldn't mind online books (referring to the possibility of Shooter doing more comics). I would be really happy if he were doing characters from Defiant and Broadway again, but I too would prefer if they were actual comics instead of online. Some hints in another messageboard implied there might be online comics followed by printed comics. Nothing was confirmed. The one advantage that buying comics has over going to the movies or going to a concert is that you get something tangible that you can hold. If you go to a movie, your money is spent and you walk away with nothing. If you buy comics, you can later sell them or trade for other comics. If you are lucky, they actually increase in value and you can get more than your money's worth. Defiant1 |
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Post by riptide on Apr 3, 2004 9:23:07 GMT -5
Well, I've now signed in as a new member instead of posting as a guest. Props to my online friend, Chris for pointing me in this direction. I may be at an advantage as I had just purchased what I thought was 100% of the Defiant Universe. (that was until I saw the checklist...lol, see my buy/sell post for wantlist). Anyway, I've been reading the books in order of how they were published. By far, my most enjoyable read has been Dark Dominion. To have an "old man" be a super-hero, I just thought it was innovative. Issue 8 & 9 with the Puritan was great!!!. I could have seen the Puritan as a "Preacher" of the Defiant Universe. Mis-guided, maybe, but his goals were basically the same as Michael's. Good Guys consistently provided a great story, and I believe would have gone far. Plasm....well after 0-4, except for the Grimmax issues, this book was decaying more rapidly than the Plasm homeworld  . And I don't know if the Schism crossover would have made any difference in saving that book. I've just started War Dancer...it shows potential. Charlemagne & Dogs of War are next on my list. Any comments........ |
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 3, 2004 12:21:15 GMT -5
Well, I've now signed in as a new member instead of posting as a guest. Props to my online friend, Chris for pointing me in this direction. Ah yes. Chris has looked here a few times. I may be at an advantage as I had just purchased what I thought was 100% of the Defiant Universe. (that was until I saw the checklist...lol, see my buy/sell post for wantlist). Anyway, I've been reading the books in order of how they were published. By far, my most enjoyable read has been Dark Dominion. To have an "old man" be a super-hero, I just thought it was innovative. Issue 8 & 9 with the Puritan was great!!!. I could have seen the Puritan as a "Preacher" of the Defiant Universe. Mis-guided, maybe, but his goals were basically the same as Michael's. My memories are just that it got great after #6. I will be rereading them in the next few months to do the story breakdowns for each issue. I'm holding any relevent comments on quality until that time. Good Guys consistently provided a great story, and I believe would have gone far. Good Guys had a lot of room to grow and improve. There was nothing wrong with the foundation. I thought it had a great start, but I felt as though the creative teams... especially the writers were changing too often. It never hit a stride and it felt as though a greater plot was still being planned and we were reading filler isues. Janet Jackson did an excellent job with #5 and Greg Boone mentioned that same issue in his interview at my site. For me, I don't think anything was going to really going top the planned conclusion to Dogs of War. It was to involve a Good guys character... or so I'm told. I discussed this with George Jeanty at Atlanta's Dragon Con last year and I was amazed. You haven't read DOW yet, so I won't reveal what he told me. Plasm....well after 0-4, except for the Grimmax issues, this book was decaying more rapidly than the Plasm homeworld . And I don't know if the Schism crossover would have made any difference in saving that book. We agree somewhat. I feel that it was about to decay. Most of everything interesting about Plasm was being split off. I'm sure Prudence of "Prudence and Caution" would have kept some stories going. David Lapham was just so d**n good at everything he did....I would have read nursery rhymes at the time if he was illustrating them. I've just started War Dancer...it shows potential. It's great.... especially how it crosses with Charlemagne. Charlemagne & Dogs of War are next on my list. Save Dogs of War for last. Charlemagne needs to be read with Wardancer. Dogs of War is not only a good series, I'd say it's one of my favorites of the last 20 years. Some of the published art lost it's crispness after the painting and reproduction, but the stores were cold and ruthless... a complete break from the positive and happy feel of Good Guys or the "out-of-this-world" stories we read in the rest. That's a joke right  Me? Make comments! I think I've made a few here |
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Post by nighthawk on Apr 5, 2004 23:27:00 GMT -5
Charlemagne and War Dancer should be read together, I agree. Charlemagne did make an appearance in Good Guys, but it was a one time thing. I think there was an excellent cross-over story in Charlemagne and War Dancer that should be read together. Dogs of War was a good book, very cutting edge. A much "harder" book than the other titles. I think the other titles could have been also, but probably not in the same way. I would have been interested in the Good Guys proposed storyline in Dogs of War, and how that would have played out in both titles. I also have to agree on some of the issues of Good Guys. Some did feel like filler issues, even though I enjoyed them. Some of the psychotic characters were interesting. I also liked the idea of Nobody (if I remember right, I believe it was him) in the Dark Dominion title. Learning more about his powers through the assistance of Michael was a great idea. I think they should have (and maybe they intended to eventually) pursued Laura going back home to her mother's, and possibly coming up with a way for her to stay at her father's home with him. As it was, she was just there with little mention of her mom. I liked the idea of Dan sort of watching out for all of the kids, knowing how they attained their powers. I didn't like the idea of a "Professor X" type of character, but I don't think that's what he was to them. I think he was just trying to help and protect them from greedy people who would want to use them for their own gain, and from society in some ways. I wish there would have been enough time for further character development in the Good Guys, Dogs of War, Dark Dominion (particularly between Nobody and Michael), and War Dancer. I wish I could say that Warriors of Plasm was a favorite, particularly since it was the first title, but it just wasn't the type of book that really interests me. I do have most of the issues, but I prefer the urban feel of some of the other titles, and the mixture of characters.
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Post by knightt on Apr 7, 2004 21:45:51 GMT -5
Well 'Chris' is looking around in here again and I plan on making it somewhere to hang out for a while. Seeing as how my bud, riptide_soccer is hanging out here. Even as I read Valiant books I am incorporating more Defiant and Broadway books into my 'reading'.
Last time around it was Knights of Broadway, now I shall attempt to finish The Good Guys which caught my interest in Defiant books in the first place. Defiant1 caught my interest in Broadway books the first time around and it looks like I am in for one hell of a ride !!!
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 8, 2004 0:11:13 GMT -5
Well 'Chris' is looking around in here again and I plan on making it somewhere to hang out for a while. Seeing as how my bud, riptide_soccer is hanging out here. Even as I read Valiant books I am incorporating more Defiant and Broadway books into my 'reading'. Last time around it was Knights of Broadway, now I shall attempt to finish The Good Guys which caught my interest in Defiant books in the first place. Defiant1 caught my interest in Broadway books the first time around and it looks like I am in for one hell of a ride !!! Straying from the topic, did you check out my last General news post in the bottom section.... Someone has made a Legion of Superhoroes movie trailer in the 1960's Marvel style of animation. I thought they did a good job. It was done by fans evidently.. |
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Post by knightt on Apr 9, 2004 0:18:37 GMT -5
Just read Dogs of War last night for the first time (all five issues) and it was GREAT !!! Kind of like The Shield meets Superheroes. It WAS a 'rough ride' but none the less GREAT. Too bad they portrayed Shooter with typical Soldier Mentality... or Grunt Mentality. I have worked with MANY smart grunts in my years in the Army but I still liked the book and thought it could have 'gone somewhere'.
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 9, 2004 17:19:49 GMT -5
Just read Dogs of War last night for the first time (all five issues) and it was GREAT !!! Kind of like The Shield meets Superheroes. It WAS a 'rough ride' but none the less GREAT. Too bad they portrayed Shooter with typical Soldier Mentality... or Grunt Mentality. I have worked with MANY smart grunts in my years in the Army but I still liked the book and thought it could have 'gone somewhere'. I didn't really look at it as a soldier mentality. I guess thinking of it now i'm reminded of the Machiavelian phrase "the end justifies the means". He had the attitude that it didn't matter what he did so long as the ultimate goal was met. To make the stories more compelling, they centered around social evils that seem impervious. The "bad guys", were all large scale.... drug distribution, terrorist, child pornography ....the tobacco industry. What would a father want to do to a person trying to sell their child into the porn industry? The reader gets to see the vigillante justice they might imagine, but you also get to see Shooter do anything and everything it takes to get to that stage. Ther is no wavering or anything... if the police have red tape to go through, wel that's not acceptable. Since Shooter has no red tape, well.... he'll go fix it. Although he was in the military, I almost equate him more to a professional bouncer. He;s calm, cool, prepared and not afraid to follow through with whatever action need to get the job done. THAT's what I saw. I need to reread them again. Defiant1 |
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Post by riptide on Apr 12, 2004 21:09:26 GMT -5
Had to come and put my 2 cents worth in. Just finished War Dancer and loved it...now its time to look at Charlemagne. I'm taking everyones suggestion and saving the Dogs of War for last.
By the way, Chris also hooked me up on Broadway. I'll be posting my needs list there shortly.
No I have not seen the LSH trailer but will check it out.
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Post by tom bomb on Apr 14, 2004 10:37:34 GMT -5
RE: For me, I don't think anything was going to really going top the planned conclusion to Dogs of War. It was to involve a Good guys character... or so I'm told. I discussed this with George Jeanty at Atlanta's Dragon Con last year and I was amazed. You haven't read DOW yet, so I won't reveal what he told me.
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As for favorites, I loved Warriors of Plasm, up through the Grimmax storyline. David Lapham artwork is some of the best ever and what great stories by Shooter and Lapham. However, I will agree i didn't see it lasting long term. But at the begninning all around one of the nicest books Shooter has put out.
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 14, 2004 17:13:58 GMT -5
Do Tell! Just make a spoiler alert for those who've not read DofW. I did. As for favorites, I loved Warriors of Plasm, up through the Grimmax storyline. David Lapham artwork is some of the best ever and what great stories by Shooter and Lapham. However, I will agree i didn't see it lasting long term. But at the begninning all around one of the nicest books Shooter has put out. Nicest? I'd still rank several higher... including Harbinger. Lapham is great. Witherby did great. Janet did great... but the off-worldly setting was more of a distraction than bait. It would work better as a movie. Defiant1 |
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Post by riptide on Apr 14, 2004 21:55:16 GMT -5
Again, I agree with Defiant1...WofP would make a decent sci-fi movie, kind of like a "Dune" epic. However, it would probably go over a lot of peoples' heads.
Waiting for my copy of Charlemagne #0 off of an Ebay win before I start reading it. Still, Dark Dominion is my favorite so far, with War Dancer and Good Guys neck and neck for the second spot. I'm still saving the Dogs of War for later.
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 15, 2004 0:00:45 GMT -5
Again, I agree with Defiant1...WofP would make a decent sci-fi movie, kind of like a "Dune" epic. However, it would probably go over a lot of peoples' heads. Waiting for my copy of Charlemagne #0 off of an Ebay win before I start reading it. Still, Dark Dominion is my favorite so far, with War Dancer and Good Guys neck and neck for the second spot. I'm still saving the Dogs of War for later. What doesn't go over people's heads! If it was done right, I think people could identify with it. Charlemagne #0 is a quick read. It's not a full comic. I buy copies when I see them in stores. They usually aren't expensive. |
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. And I don't know if the Schism crossover would have made any difference in saving that book.