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Post by Todd Luck on Jul 10, 2004 15:19:17 GMT -5
I had a friend who runs a comic shop in Asheboro named Rick Davis, who is an inker and sometimes artist. His credited, published work includes mostly small press comics like Razor and Doorman. Back when Defiant did cards, he said he was working on some Good Guy cards based off some faxes they sent him of what the characters looked like (I think the one I saw was Flex lifting something but my memory's fuzzy). He really had no idea about the characters except a rough idea of what they looked like. Since getting the Good Guy promo cards, I haven't been able to see him and confirm those were his cards but it would make sense (I think he even told me he was doing character cards). Drawing them almost identical to the faxes sounds like something he would do (most of the cards are slight variations on the cover of Good Guys #1). I should be going back to the area he lives in a couple times this fall and hopefully I'll bump into him and be able to confirm this. BTW, he said the payment for the art was very delayed (this was when Rivergroup started having problems) but he did eventually get paid. Just thought you might like that microscopic tid-bit of info  |
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Post by Defiant1 on Jul 10, 2004 18:53:13 GMT -5
I had a friend who runs a comic shop in Asheboro named Rick Davis, who is an inker and sometimes artist. His credited, published work includes mostly small press comics like Razor and Doorman. Back when Defiant did cards, he said he was working on some Good Guy cards based off some faxes they sent him of what the characters looked like (I think the one I saw was Flex lifting something but my memory's fuzzy). He really had no idea about the characters except a rough idea of what they looked like. Since getting the Good Guy promo cards, I haven't been able to see him and confirm those were his cards but it would make sense (I think he even told me he was doing character cards). Drawing them almost identical to the faxes sounds like something he would do (most of the cards are slight variations on the cover of Good Guys #1). I should be going back to the area he lives in a couple times this fall and hopefully I'll bump into him and be able to confirm this. BTW, he said the payment for the art was very delayed (this was when Rivergroup started having problems) but he did eventually get paid. Just thought you might like that microscopic tid-bit of info My understanding is that a lot of ghost artists were used on the cards. I encountered someone online that had done work on some of the Plasm cards. I'd like to give everyone credit, but most of these people assisted with the knowledge that another more established creator would be getting the bulk of the glory. There is no way for me to confirm whether someone's claims are true, or the scope of their claims are true. Yes, I do care, but I might not really ever explore that further. Coax him into stopping by. One of our messageboard members is a huge Good Guys fan and he might be interested in obtaining some original art if he still has it. BTW... Is he the creator for Doorman.. the artist? Which company was it... the Cult Press issue, the Caliber issues, or both? I had high hopes for that character. I really liked that first Cult Press issue. I bought the others, but I can't remember if the story lived up to my hopes. I just remember being disappointed it didn't last.... both times. Defiant1 |
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Post by Todd Luck on Jul 11, 2004 7:38:06 GMT -5
My understanding is that a lot of ghost artists were used on the cards. I encountered someone online that had done work on some of the Plasm cards. I'd like to give everyone credit, but most of these people assisted with the knowledge that another more established creator would be getting the bulk of the glory. There is no way for me to confirm whether someone's claims are true, or the scope of their claims are true. Yes, I do care, but I might not really ever explore that further. Coax him into stopping by. One of our messageboard members is a huge Good Guys fan and he might be interested in obtaining some original art if he still has it. BTW... Is he the creator for Doorman.. the artist? Which company was it... the Cult Press issue, the Caliber issues, or both? I had high hopes for that character. I really liked that first Cult Press issue. I bought the others, but I can't remember if the story lived up to my hopes. I just remember being disappointed it didn't last.... both times. Defiant1 It's doubtful I could get him to post on a message board. Rick's new to the internet (okay he's being dragged into the internet age kicking and screaming, what can I say?). I sent him an email on the card art a couple of months ago since my parents (who live back near Asheboro) said he had just gotten his first email account. I never got a response, but I can almost gaurantee you it's because he doesn't even use it. Checking with him and seeing if he did bother keeping the art on the Good Guy cards is a great idea (why have I never thought of this?  ) When I do get in touch with him, I'll be sure to ask. He is the sort of guy who doesn't care about getting credit on his work (a lot of his background inks and such for DC went uncredited). Except for the story cards, I don't recall any credits on any of the Defiant cards saying who did them one way or the other. You read and liked Doorman? You are a man with good taste . It was a great series. Rick was the inker of the Caliber Doorman series. The guy who drew both series, James Lyle, is local of my state as well and frequents the local Charolette convention (and, incidently, he drew the never released VH-3 Dr Mirage special, sadly I was never able to go to the Charolette convention after 98 to chat with him about that  ) |
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Post by Defiant1 on Jul 11, 2004 9:46:57 GMT -5
You read and liked Doorman? You are a man with good taste . It was a great series. Rick was the inker of the Caliber Doorman series. The guy who drew both series, James Lyle, is local of my state as well and frequents the local Charolette convention (and, incidently, he drew the never released VH-3 Dr Mirage special, sadly I was never able to go to the Charolette convention after 98 to chat with him about that ) Yeah. I liked Doorman and thought it had a lot of potential. I don't remember the the art from the Caliber series making an impression upon me. I know that Caliber pumped up the blacks on their books and it drowned out some of the finer artistic details. Defiant1 |
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Post by Todd Luck on Jul 11, 2004 14:10:00 GMT -5
Yeah. I liked Doorman and thought it had a lot of potential. I don't remember the the art from the Caliber series making an impression upon me. I know that Caliber pumped up the blacks on their books and it drowned out some of the finer artistic details. Defiant1 Could've been Rick's inking style too  . If you ever wondered why the villians in the first series were transparent and the ones in the Caliber series were solid, you've got Rick to thank for that one (or atleast that's what he said  . |
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Post by andrew on Jul 11, 2004 14:15:49 GMT -5
(and, incidently, he drew the never released VH-3 Dr Mirage special, sadly I was never able to go to the Charolette convention after 98 to chat with him about that ) Was the book actually completed? I'd like to hear more on that, if you know anything. |
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Post by Todd Luck on Jul 11, 2004 17:51:58 GMT -5
Was the book actually completed? I'd like to hear more on that, if you know anything. Here's what know from various sources: It was supposed to be 48 pages written by Perham. Hwen is murdered and his wife Carmen investigates only to find out he's one of the most powerful wizards in the world and that he was killed by Master Darque. There was an ad for it where Darque is in a business suit smoking. It shows Darque sporting a goatee and shaved head with a pony tail in the back (tatooes similar to the VH-1 version are on his head). Armstong was supposed to appear but not as a geomancer (thank god!). A regular poster on a comics newsgroup posted he saw some pages of it at a convention (Perham was manning a small Accliam booth) but I don't know for sure if the comic was completed (one of the reasons I wanted to talk with Mr. Lyle . I saw a full color cover for it with Carmen on it somewhere but I'm not sure where (Previews maybe?). Incidently, Perham didn't like where the previous management was going and this special would've been a different VH-3 than the ending of Unity 2000 would've left us with. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 11, 2004 19:04:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I've seen the VH3 Darque ad. Interesting story. I believe BloodofHeroes (that guy with the Bloodshot site) said he knew the story behind the VH3 Mirage, but wouldn't tell anybody (whatever that means).
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Post by Defiant1 on Jul 17, 2004 0:39:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I've seen the VH3 Darque ad. Interesting story. I believe BloodofHeroes (that guy with the Bloodshot site) said he knew the story behind the VH3 Mirage, but wouldn't tell anybody (whatever that means). I asked BOH about this. He made promises to the creators not to tell what he knows. You have to respect a person who keeps his word. I just don't know what he was thinking when he made a promise like that. defiant1 |
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Post by andrew on Jul 17, 2004 13:17:37 GMT -5
I wonder why the creators would be so secretive about a comic that never got off the ground? The world may never know. Lord knows I couldn't keep that secret.
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Post by Defiant1 on Jul 17, 2004 14:56:17 GMT -5
I wonder why the creators would be so secretive about a comic that never got off the ground? The world may never know. Lord knows I couldn't keep that secret. I don't want to be confused with a 'real' creator, but I do have a slight bit of experience with this type of emotional conflict. Whenever anyone is creating a fictional concept, it is high in their mind that someone might try to steal their ideas and rework the guts of them and actually exploit them for a different project. The only way to protect a creative idea is to keep it secret. An additional problem is that life will often expose whole generations to similar experiences, cultural attitudes, or ideas. What that does is cause two or more unconnected individuals to create very similar fictional concepts. When you hear about other creators that never knew of your ideas, creating very similar ideas on their own... it can add to any paranoia. It is not uncommon to hear of lawsuits because of this paranoia. It is also possible for a creator to steal ideas unintentionally. You could read a script in 2004 and then 5 years later come up with the exact same idea and not know where the idea came from. Keeping your ideas secret can prevent someone from borrowing your ideas unintentionally. Defiant1 |
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Post by andrew on Jul 17, 2004 20:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that's understandable.
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) When I do get in touch with him, I'll be sure to ask. He is the sort of guy who doesn't care about getting credit on his work (a lot of his background inks and such for DC went uncredited). Except for the story cards, I don't recall any credits on any of the Defiant cards saying who did them one way or the other.
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. If you ever wondered why the villians in the first series were transparent and the ones in the Caliber series were solid, you've got Rick to thank for that one (or atleast that's what he said 
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