Quato
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Post by Quato on Jul 23, 2008 2:57:57 GMT -5
I was invited to join this board.... valiantchat.proboards104.com/index.cgiNot really sure what the motivation of the board is. My mind imagines that it could be anything from a disenchanted fan looking for like minded discussion to the new owners seeking damage control because of all the negative things being said about Greg's board. Either way, I think it's a pretty bold move to ask me my opinion about Greg's board. Q |
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Post by Brother J on Jul 24, 2008 6:43:43 GMT -5
I was invited to join this board.... valiantchat.proboards104.com/index.cgiNot really sure what the motivation of the board is. My mind imagines that it could be anything from a disenchanted fan looking for like minded discussion to the new owners seeking damage control because of all the negative things being said about Greg's board. Either way, I think it's a pretty bold move to ask me my opinion about Greg's board. Q I'm not sure why 50 different Valiant comics message boards are needed. This guy apparently wants a message board where discussions don't get heated, a place where, like you said, "everyone is sitting around sedated saying "I like pretty colors. Do you like pretty colors? Lets talk about pretty colors." " What's the point in having a discussion board if you have to hold each other's hands so no one's little feelings get hurt?  |
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Post by Quato on Jul 24, 2008 11:08:35 GMT -5
I was invited to join this board.... valiantchat.proboards104.com/index.cgiNot really sure what the motivation of the board is. My mind imagines that it could be anything from a disenchanted fan looking for like minded discussion to the new owners seeking damage control because of all the negative things being said about Greg's board. Either way, I think it's a pretty bold move to ask me my opinion about Greg's board. Q I'm not sure why 50 different Valiant comics message boards are needed. This guy apparently wants a message board where discussions don't get heated, a place where, like you said, "everyone is sitting around sedated saying "I like pretty colors. Do you like pretty colors? Lets talk about pretty colors." " What's the point in having a discussion board if you have to hold each other's hands so no one's little feelings get hurt? I break it down by facts. 1) My opinions are unpopular. 2) My opinions state things that shatter the illusion that the die hard collectors and VEI want to convey to other collectors that are not intiated into the fold. Therefore I'm a problem for marketing the company, concepts and stories. 3) I prefer to stick with hard data, not emotion. People who focus on emotions are offended by my rather cold stance on looking at things. 4) VEI is more than likely bleeding. The amount of money they've taken in is not able to compensate for the investments they are making. They need everyone to support their efforts. 5) I'm right more than they want me to be. 6) Some other people do agree with me and they seem to be more willing to vocalize it. 7) I'm perfectly willing to be a voice of dissent. I don't like things that have beens said to me. I don't like the way things have been handled. Freedom of speech is something that I feel everyone should have whether it's all roses and candy or salt and vinegar. Why are there so many messageboards? Marketing? Damage Control? The old philosophy "keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" Perhaps it's even a genuine frustration with Greg's board. That seems the least likely to me, but I can see it still being a possibility. Ryan knows why I won't participate at his VCS board. Perhaps someone keeps thinking I feel like an outcast or feel as though I need to be validated. None of those are characteristics of my personality type. In the end, my personality type is difficult for many to understand unless they have the benefit of understanding why I make the decisions I make. I think deep down, these boards exist because I am polarizing the fan base. Without me opening their mind and exposing inconsistencies at Greg's board, people would simply drift away and forget about Valiant when they are displeased. With me not "shutting up", a disgruntled fan knows he is not alone anymore. Q |
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Post by gowaltrip on Jul 24, 2008 21:21:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure why 50 different Valiant comics message boards are needed. This guy apparently wants a message board where discussions don't get heated, a place where, like you said, "everyone is sitting around sedated saying "I like pretty colors. Do you like pretty colors? Lets talk about pretty colors." " What's the point in having a discussion board if you have to hold each other's hands so no one's little feelings get hurt? Well said. There is no need for another Valiant board. Its played out. You can find too many as it is and all of them seem to be a Greg site wannabe but in some way a anti-Greg board or a "I wanna be like that board but unlike that board in certain ways so you'll like mine better". And yes, if you have to hold hands and agree with everything and play nice then it pretty much is the same thing as what you left except now the Hive mind is to get along. It's impossible to expect people not to disagree with each other. I think starting a Valiant board today lacks any originality and probably attracts the same people who are either still at or fed up with how Greg's board is. Its not like you're going to find a new cluster of fans who somehow had nothing to do with Greg's site and suddenly discovered yours and want everything to do with yours and no clue about Gregs. Chances are, you'll end up with the same people. I know I keep saying this, but Im ready for the next great run of comics or Publisher. I really dont think there is any way to recapture the Valiant magic I felt in 1991. Hell, Valiant in 1994 couldnt recapture the magic of Valiant in 1991. I think its best left where it is. In the past. Sometimes it feels like to keep glorifying this dead universe is to believe we can never do as good or better. But I personally think we can. |
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 2, 2008 17:33:46 GMT -5
The board is gone now... I just checked back. Hmmm! Interesting!
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Post by gowaltrip on Aug 2, 2008 20:11:50 GMT -5
I was looking at whet's board today and there is a 5 page thread of people who said they have left vf.com and their reasons why. It seems a lot get miffed by some of the ways and favoritism over there. Someone came up and said "Anyone interested in joining me in making a VALIANT site where none of that type of stuff is going on?" and my 1st thought was.... WHY??? |
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Quato
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Post by Quato on Aug 3, 2008 0:10:23 GMT -5
It was the same guy. I saw it. I liked the discussion we were having at the link above, but the board is gone now. In the thread I pointed out that a messageboard needs one of two things to grow. It needs either a steady flow of new and insightful information or it needs differing opinions and perspectives. An example was my Topps category. There are collectors interested, but once I nailed down a comprehensive list, there was no reason to discuss it anymore. Collectors all agreed that the premium books were the ones to collect and that the common books were going to remain worthless. Broadway is an even better example. It's so small of a category that there is very little to discuss. If I say I like it, and you agree... what is there to talk about? If I don't like it and you do... we agree to disagree. The only time conversation sparked was when Todd Luck interjected information I didn't know or a rare item sold and we got to talk about the closing price.
Greg gave people a reason to visit by updating his price guide and reporting CGC sales. That kept people coming back enough to argue. The guy I work with, a temp, he has pretty much the same personality as me. I'm fully aware that our personalities have a potential to clash sharply. In spite of that, we communicate quite well by supplying each other information. We both feed off of knowledge and we debate how to apply what we know. He's a big World of Warcraft fan and I'm not. I am a comics archivist and he cares very little about comics. Sometimes he rolls his eyes when I pretend like I'm a WOW fan and make up absurd fantasy characters and act very seriously like they are part of the game.
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Post by starbrand on Aug 3, 2008 11:43:34 GMT -5
You guys have a right to be bugged by new Valiant boards. It doesn't bother me in the least, though.
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Quato
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Quato a.k.a. Defiant1
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Post by Quato on Aug 3, 2008 12:00:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'm bugged. I had a Valiant category here. I know that if people wanted to post elsewhere they've had alternatives.
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Post by starbrand on Aug 3, 2008 12:05:59 GMT -5
That's true. You even posted on the new forum.
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