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Post by thebluescout on Aug 9, 2009 15:56:01 GMT -5
With all respect, I'm not sure this is a fact, unless you know something I don't. What's to keep him from holding onto the Valiant properties he owns for years, especially if the Harbinger movie or some other licensing agreement pans out and gives him some staying power and operating capital? Perhaps he wants to hold onto them for his own reasons. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion Dino can't hold onto them much longer. It may play out that way, that he sells soon, who knows? At this stage, he can't afford sell them. They won't sell for what he paid. For me, a revival requires Jim Shooter's involvement and I think Jim holds a lot of animosity towards anything that Layton changed after he left. We already saw Jim criticize the changes Ostrander implemented on Magnus after he left. Not directly of course, but it was still a criticism. This is my opinion, but I'm betting Jim has no interest in trying to write explanations for everything Layton & company did over the years. That would be like coming back to a vandalized home and trying to justify what the criminals did to your neighbors. Defiant1 I'm sure Shooter's going to create new characters for Dark Horse. They'll probably be as good or better than the ones he created at Valiant. That's not to say if Harbinger ever makes a comeback and is well-written and drawn I wouldn't pick it up.
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 9, 2009 20:21:21 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that I care whether he is willing to post here or not and I do not share your opinion on this. You won the flame war. Most flame wars are not won so easily. Defiant1 IMO, I did nothing to piss him off. I did not flame him, OR insult his opinions here. Sorry you like the guy so much that you can't see it for yourself. Whatever. It has nothing to do with liking someone or not liking someone. If I said "Vaultkeeper is an ass. He's psychotic. He's got PMS." in a resentful tone.... are you saying you wouldn't be upset or offended by that? For one, that is a very personal attack. Generally people are not offended if you criticize their ideas anywhere near as much as if you attack their integrity as a person. Are you saying you haven't done both? Just curious. Defiant1
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 9, 2009 21:18:48 GMT -5
IMO, I did nothing to piss him off. I did not flame him, OR insult his opinions here. Sorry you like the guy so much that you can't see it for yourself. Whatever. It has nothing to do with liking someone or not liking someone. If I said "Vaultkeeper is an ass. He's psychotic. He's got PMS." in a resentful tone.... are you saying you wouldn't be upset or offended by that? For one, that is a very personal attack. Generally people are not offended if you criticize their ideas anywhere near as much as if you attack their integrity as a person. Are you saying you haven't done both? Just curious. Defiant1 Dave, we've exchanged via the net for over five years. You know me better than that. That's all I'm going to say about the matter. I wasn't against SG until fully revealed his 'problem' to me.
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 9, 2009 21:57:48 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with liking someone or not liking someone. If I said "Vaultkeeper is an ass. He's psychotic. He's got PMS." in a resentful tone.... are you saying you wouldn't be upset or offended by that? For one, that is a very personal attack. Generally people are not offended if you criticize their ideas anywhere near as much as if you attack their integrity as a person. Are you saying you haven't done both? Just curious. Defiant1 Dave, we've exchanged via the net for over five years. You know me better than that. That's all I'm going to say about the matter. I wasn't against SG until fully revealed his 'problem' to me. I have a good idea what you are trying to say, I'm just trying to make you think about the way you say it. I think you got a raw deal on Greg's board, but I think you could have persuaded more people to side with your point of view if you'd presented your words differently. Defiant1
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 11, 2009 9:07:27 GMT -5
This would be an interesting character for Jim to revive:
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 11, 2009 9:12:10 GMT -5
Tragg's brother appeared in GK's barbarian offering of the early 70's, Dagar, who would also be an interesting revival. GK really had some underated characters.
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Post by vikingspawn on Aug 11, 2009 9:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 11, 2009 10:06:28 GMT -5
As the comic pre-dates He-Man, it could have been ripped off. Skeletor also..............
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 11, 2009 16:51:24 GMT -5
I don't know anything about these characters. The themes all seem like they could be meshed together.
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 11, 2009 17:13:56 GMT -5
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 11, 2009 20:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 12, 2009 8:09:58 GMT -5
As the comic pre-dates He-Man, it could have been ripped off. Skeletor also.............. WOW. After doing some research, it seems like Don Glut was the 'Jim Shooter' of Gold Key. He was quite the renaissance man, in terms of work and creation. The reason why the Dagar cover reminds you of He-Man is because Don Glut CREATED THEM BOTH!!! He did a lot of film and animation work over the years, and came into prominance through the help of 'ol Forry Ackerman and Famous Monsters, in the 60's. He is the creator of Tragg, Dagar, Dr. Spektor, and many other characters. He even worked with the Kroft brothers on Land of the Lost (recently remade with Will Farrell). Here is his wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_F._GlutMaybe Big Jim could incorporate his help in the relaunch. It would be incredible, to say the least! Here's Don's website. Enjoy! www.donaldfglut.com/I honestly can't believe that I didn't know more about him until now. He has woven himself into so many areas I am interested in.
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Post by thebluescout on Aug 12, 2009 8:48:34 GMT -5
Don Glut is a great name for a prolific writer.
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Post by vikingspawn on Aug 12, 2009 8:49:52 GMT -5
As the comic pre-dates He-Man, it could have been ripped off. Skeletor also.............. WOW. After doing some research, it seems like Don Glut was the 'Jim Shooter' of Gold Key. He was quite the renaissance man, in terms of work and creation. The reason why the Dagar cover reminds you of He-Man is because Don Glut CREATED THEM BOTH!!! He did a lot of film and animation work over the years, and came into prominance through the help of 'ol Forry Ackerman and Famous Monsters, in the 60's. He is the creator of Tragg, Dagar, Dr. Spektor, and many other characters. He even worked with the Kroft brothers on Land of the Lost (recently remade with Will Farrell). Here is his wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_F._GlutMaybe Big Jim could incorporate his help in the relaunch. It would be incredible, to say the least! Here's Don's website. Enjoy! www.donaldfglut.com/I honestly can't believe that I didn't know more about him until now. He has woven himself into so many areas I am interested in. haha...wow...looking at his resume, I used to watch all those shows he worked on! Superpowers, Transformers, Spiderman & his Amazing friends.....Ducktails! That's pretty cool. Looks like he's still active too. His wiki says he wrote "Kull" as well. Dark Horse is doing new "Kull" comics again for the Conan line. Maybe they can ring him up again for the new line and Doc. Spektor stuff too. Masters of the Universe had good stuff. Wonder if he had anything to do with the concept teaser movie stuff from last year: But I'd definitely picked any of these titles if they make 'em again. There aren't alot of sword/fantasy type of comics these days. Make mine Dark Horse!!
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Post by thebluescout on Aug 12, 2009 8:57:41 GMT -5
"Make Mine Dark Horse!" Hah! They've become my favorite new comic publisher as well. I've reallt been wanting Shooter to get this shot, and they're the ones who've given it to him. Plus, I suspect they're going to be making the best books on the market shortly.
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Post by vikingspawn on Aug 12, 2009 13:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 12, 2009 15:19:18 GMT -5
Don Glut is a great name for a prolific writer. The site also says this... PSEUDONYMS: Don Grant, Rod Richmond, Bradley D. Thorne, Dale Steele, Victor Morrison, Mick Rogers, Johnny Jason & Adam Spektor. Don has also "ghost written" for various other authors and written without a byline. Defiant1
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Post by Quato on Aug 12, 2009 20:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by Quato on Aug 12, 2009 21:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 13, 2009 21:16:58 GMT -5
John Helmer, Phoenix, AZ: One of my favorites is Dr. Spektor from The Occult Files of Doctor Spektor. Do you have plans to include this amazing character…? Jim Shooter: I’d love to. I’d also love to have a go at Jet Dream and Her Stunt-Girl Counterspies. I kid you not. Mike, are you reading this? 1) Added an origin of the characters. 2) Uploaded a scan of #1 to www.comicspriceguide.com3) Uploaded/posted relevant Man From U.N.C.L.E. cover scans. darkhorse.50webs.com/Jet_Dream/Jet_Dream_Checklist.htmlThanks to SG for his help. Defiant1
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 14, 2009 9:31:54 GMT -5
With all the properties GK had, I don't think Jet Dream will fly (pardon the pun) by today's reading audience. Back in the 60's, the spy story was the thing. Not so much now. First off, it's not such an original idea. It was lifted from Goldfinger, with P u s s y Galore and her stunt pilots. The Man From UNCLE references aren't valid, so Jim would have to start from scratch on them. Jet Dream was a one-shot for a reason. Nobody cared then (1968), I believe nobody will care now. I seriously believe that Jim and Don Glut need to have a brainstorming session. The results COULD be friggin' amazing.
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Post by thebluescout on Aug 14, 2009 10:50:57 GMT -5
Phoenix, AZ in the house!
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 14, 2009 18:22:39 GMT -5
With all the properties GK had, I don't think Jet Dream will fly (pardon the pun) by today's reading audience. Back in the 60's, the spy story was the thing. Not so much now. First off, it's not such an original idea. It was lifted from Goldfinger, with P u s s y Galore and her stunt pilots. The Man From UNCLE references aren't valid, so Jim would have to start from scratch on them. Jet Dream was a one-shot for a reason. Nobody cared then (1968), I believe nobody will care now. I seriously believe that Jim and Don Glut need to have a brainstorming session. The results COULD be friggin' amazing. I felt just the opposite when I saw the cover. The first thing it made me think of was Fatale. Since the comics audience is dominated by males, selling a comic with mostly females can't hurt. I'm not sure what you mean by the Man from U.N.C.L.E. references not being valid? They were a backup feature to the comic. I verified that their first appearance was MFU #7 before posting the page. It seems like it must have been popular if a back-up feature was pulled to the forefront to get it's own one shot. Not only that, I don't think Jim would be hinting about this unless he's already thought it out. Please keep in mind that Jim stayed on with Golden Books after the purchase of Broadway. He was retained to research the viability of using the Western publishing properties. The last 1996 press release about Broadway Comics stated the following: "Separately, the company also said it has reorganized Broadway Comics, which became part of Golden Books with its recent acquisition of the family entertainment library of Broadway Video Entertainment, L.P. Golden Books will now focus on leveraging existing characters in Golden Books' library, which includes the dormant properties of Gold Key Comics. Gold Key Comics, which had been among the world's leading comic book publishers, owns the copyrights for such characters as Turok, an action hero that will be featured in an upcoming Nintendo game. J. Winston Fowlkes and Jim Shooter, who managed Broadway Comics, will undertake this effort." Source: www.suite101.com/article.cfm/comic_books/303Somehow I don't think Jim is confused about which characters and titles interest him. Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 14, 2009 18:25:12 GMT -5
Phoenix, AZ in the house! You lost me with that one. Defiant1
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Post by gowaltrip on Aug 14, 2009 19:09:14 GMT -5
With all the properties GK had, I don't think Jet Dream will fly (pardon the pun) by today's reading audience. Back in the 60's, the spy story was the thing. Not so much now. First off, it's not such an original idea. It was lifted from Goldfinger, with P u s s y Galore and her stunt pilots. The Man From UNCLE references aren't valid, so Jim would have to start from scratch on them. Jet Dream was a one-shot for a reason. Nobody cared then (1968), I believe nobody will care now. I seriously believe that Jim and Don Glut need to have a brainstorming session. The results COULD be friggin' amazing. I felt just the opposite when I saw the cover. The first thing it made me think of was Fatale. Since the comics audience is dominated by males, selling a comic with mostly females can't hurt. I'm not sure what you mean by the Man from U.N.C.L.E. references not being valid? They were a backup feature to the comic. I verified that their first appearance was MFU #7 before posting the page. It seems like it must have been popular if a back-up feature was pulled to the forefront to get it's own one shot. Not only that, I don't think Jim would be hinting about this unless he's already thought it out. Please keep in mind that Jim stayed on with Golden Books after the purchase of Broadway. He was retained to research the viability of using the Western publishing properties. The last 1996 press release about Broadway Comics stated the following: "Separately, the company also said it has reorganized Broadway Comics, which became part of Golden Books with its recent acquisition of the family entertainment library of Broadway Video Entertainment, L.P. Golden Books will now focus on leveraging existing characters in Golden Books' library, which includes the dormant properties of Gold Key Comics. Gold Key Comics, which had been among the world's leading comic book publishers, owns the copyrights for such characters as Turok, an action hero that will be featured in an upcoming Nintendo game. J. Winston Fowlkes and Jim Shooter, who managed Broadway Comics, will undertake this effort." Source: www.suite101.com/article.cfm/comic_books/303Somehow I don't think Jim is confused about which characters and titles interest him. Defiant1 Hmmm....You know much better than I so that is why I will ask this as it just made me think of something I hadn't really thought of. What happened to the rights of the Broadway and even the Defiant characters? Maybe Im not reading things correctly. I'm probably not understanding enough (admittedly) so excuse me if this is clearly shown. Does Jim still have access to use any of those characters? I mean sometimes I wonder what IS open to Jim. Not only is the Gold Key characters seemingly a possibility....but I wonder....what else? Besides Valiant characters? Could he conceivably feed off of any of these properties? Or is all the past closed to him and he can only deal with what Dark Horse has available?
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 14, 2009 20:27:55 GMT -5
I have no idea what Dark Horse has licensed from Classic Media. It does appear that they've got a one to one access to everything Classic Media does have available. Classic Media owns the rights to all Broadway and Defiant characters except War Dancer which is owned by Alan Weiss. Theoretically all it would take for Jim Shooter to use Fatale or Michael Alexander is to request it and pay the licensing fees.
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Post by gowaltrip on Aug 14, 2009 20:47:30 GMT -5
It sure is intriguing when the possibilities are brought in and thought about. While its natural to think about the Valiant and Gold Key possibilities, I would wonder if Jim feels he has the same "unfinished business" with Defiant and Broadway as he did with Valiant?
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Post by VaultKeeper on Aug 14, 2009 20:50:07 GMT -5
With all the properties GK had, I don't think Jet Dream will fly (pardon the pun) by today's reading audience. Back in the 60's, the spy story was the thing. Not so much now. First off, it's not such an original idea. It was lifted from Goldfinger, with P u s s y Galore and her stunt pilots. The Man From UNCLE references aren't valid, so Jim would have to start from scratch on them. Jet Dream was a one-shot for a reason. Nobody cared then (1968), I believe nobody will care now. I seriously believe that Jim and Don Glut need to have a brainstorming session. The results COULD be friggin' amazing. I felt just the opposite when I saw the cover. The first thing it made me think of was Fatale. Since the comics audience is dominated by males, selling a comic with mostly females can't hurt. I'm not sure what you mean by the Man from U.N.C.L.E. references not being valid? They were a backup feature to the comic. I verified that their first appearance was MFU #7 before posting the page. It seems like it must have been popular if a back-up feature was pulled to the forefront to get it's own one shot. Not only that, I don't think Jim would be hinting about this unless he's already thought it out. Please keep in mind that Jim stayed on with Golden Books after the purchase of Broadway. He was retained to research the viability of using the Western publishing properties. The last 1996 press release about Broadway Comics stated the following: "Separately, the company also said it has reorganized Broadway Comics, which became part of Golden Books with its recent acquisition of the family entertainment library of Broadway Video Entertainment, L.P. Golden Books will now focus on leveraging existing characters in Golden Books' library, which includes the dormant properties of Gold Key Comics. Gold Key Comics, which had been among the world's leading comic book publishers, owns the copyrights for such characters as Turok, an action hero that will be featured in an upcoming Nintendo game. J. Winston Fowlkes and Jim Shooter, who managed Broadway Comics, will undertake this effort." Source: www.suite101.com/article.cfm/comic_books/303Somehow I don't think Jim is confused about which characters and titles interest him. Defiant1 Jim may be interested in them, but I just don't know if there's a true market for this type of 'action' team. His efforts might be better used in bringing back the real Fatale. Just my take. The Aliens were a decent back-up feature to Magnus, yet they never rated their own series. GK was all over the place (as was Dell previously), and the editor-in-chief for the whole line (I forget his name) surely had his plate full.
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 15, 2009 4:53:23 GMT -5
It sure is intriguing when the possibilities are brought in and thought about. While its natural to think about the Valiant and Gold Key possibilities, I would wonder if Jim feels he has the same "unfinished business" with Defiant and Broadway as he did with Valiant? No idea. Even if Jim does, I'm not so sure Alan and Pauline Weiss would feel that way. Would Plasm be the same without Lapham? Recreating the chemistry would be tough. Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 15, 2009 5:02:27 GMT -5
I felt just the opposite when I saw the cover. The first thing it made me think of was Fatale. Since the comics audience is dominated by males, selling a comic with mostly females can't hurt. I'm not sure what you mean by the Man from U.N.C.L.E. references not being valid? They were a backup feature to the comic. I verified that their first appearance was MFU #7 before posting the page. It seems like it must have been popular if a back-up feature was pulled to the forefront to get it's own one shot. Not only that, I don't think Jim would be hinting about this unless he's already thought it out. Please keep in mind that Jim stayed on with Golden Books after the purchase of Broadway. He was retained to research the viability of using the Western publishing properties. The last 1996 press release about Broadway Comics stated the following: "Separately, the company also said it has reorganized Broadway Comics, which became part of Golden Books with its recent acquisition of the family entertainment library of Broadway Video Entertainment, L.P. Golden Books will now focus on leveraging existing characters in Golden Books' library, which includes the dormant properties of Gold Key Comics. Gold Key Comics, which had been among the world's leading comic book publishers, owns the copyrights for such characters as Turok, an action hero that will be featured in an upcoming Nintendo game. J. Winston Fowlkes and Jim Shooter, who managed Broadway Comics, will undertake this effort." Source: www.suite101.com/article.cfm/comic_books/303Somehow I don't think Jim is confused about which characters and titles interest him. Defiant1 Jim may be interested in them, but I just don't know if there's a true market for this type of 'action' team. His efforts might be better used in bringing back the real Fatale. Just my take. The Aliens were a decent back-up feature to Magnus, yet they never rated their own series. GK was all over the place (as was Dell previously), and the editor-in-chief for the whole line (I forget his name) surely had his plate full. To be honest, I was never a fan of Gold Key's characters. Jim's writing made all the difference. Charlies Angels did well. Danger Girl got some attention. There's not a significant market for any comics being published today hence the very low print runs. Whatever market there us, it will have to be created anyway. Thinking outside the box (no pun intended) is the the only way to create a new audience. "Sex sells" is an old phrase people say. I don't think that's changed in thousands of years. Defiant1
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