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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 6, 2011 16:46:59 GMT -5
Dollar Level/Backers/Total$$
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5 83 415
10 118 1180
15 262 3930
30 49 1470
50 595 29750
65 358 23270
100 58 5800
120 20 2400
150 35 5250
165 1 165
175 1 175
200 9 1800
265 1 265
275 1 275
300 1 300
400 5 2000
500 2 1000
650 1 650
825 1 825
1000 2 2000
1500 1 1500
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 6, 2011 17:28:56 GMT -5
Josh Adams doesn't see this as begging.
I do.
He was promoting an artist friend that was experimenting with this kickstarter site. He felt the site was doing his friend some good. His friend had gotten 18 people to donate an average of $45
I didn't and don't feel that gaining an audience of 18 people that want to overpay for a product is noteworthy at all. I don't think the product will make a profit from the target audience if it does get printed.
I also stated that I'd never seen a lucrative project on the kickstarter site. Josh directed me to the womanthology book. My response back was ... where is the model for the future. This was a one time event. Can it be duplicated every month? I don't think it can. To me it's just another carrot on the end of the stick... a gimmick to make a collector bite and make them think they are honoring women and getting a really valuable collectible.
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Post by vikingspawn on Aug 8, 2011 14:42:19 GMT -5
If a kickstarter page like that would help for a "Daring Comics" universe, i'd probably contribute.  |
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 8, 2011 17:17:02 GMT -5
If a kickstarter page like that would help for a "Daring Comics" universe, i'd probably contribute. That's not even enough for me now. Defiant1 |
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Post by Andrew R on Oct 2, 2011 13:37:41 GMT -5
My Kickstart story:
I donated 50 bucks last year when Dave Ryan was kickstarting his War of the Independents book. After all the promises that came with donating - In the end I got nothing from Dave beyond a pdf preview. The books were printed and he sold them at conventions. I never got a copy despite him repeatedly saying he was sending it out to me.
The art is pretty shoddy (I believe Erik Larsen pulled the permission to use the Savage Dragon because of the art) and the proposed "ongoing" series looks like it'll never come out. It took 3 years to get Issue 1 printed. I seriously doubt there'll be more after this.
I believed in the project enough to donate money. I'm okay with that. I just don't like being lied to. The "Yeah, it's in the mail!" attitude really turned me off on a project that I was looking forward to. Live and learn, I guess.
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 2, 2011 17:41:13 GMT -5
My Kickstart story: I donated 50 bucks last year when Dave Ryan was kickstarting his War of the Independents book. After all the promises that came with donating - In the end I got nothing from Dave beyond a pdf preview. The books were printed and he sold them at conventions. I never got a copy despite him repeatedly saying he was sending it out to me. The art is pretty shoddy (I believe Erik Larsen pulled the permission to use the Savage Dragon because of the art) and the proposed "ongoing" series looks like it'll never come out. It took 3 years to get Issue 1 printed. I seriously doubt there'll be more after this. I believed in the project enough to donate money. I'm okay with that. I just don't like being lied to. The "Yeah, it's in the mail!" attitude really turned me off on a project that I was looking forward to. Live and learn, I guess. Wow! $50 for a pdf... that sucks. Of course the site has a disclaimer that you might get nothing. It's basically a "contribute at your own risk" type of venture. I remember that title. I didn't remember it being a kickstarter project. Defiant1 |
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Post by gowaltrip on Oct 3, 2011 0:06:06 GMT -5
 Wow! That sounds worse than a crappy deal on ebay!
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Post by vikingspawn on Oct 3, 2011 13:39:59 GMT -5
yikes....I remember the "War of the Independents" thing since way back in 2007. I read a few creators (like Stan Sakai) didn't participate because of the back and forth logistics artwork on the the project. I thought the mini series had turned into a "print to order" online comic or something.
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 3, 2011 17:33:08 GMT -5
yikes....I remember the "War of the Independents" thing since way back in 2007. I read a few creators (like Stan Sakai) didn't participate because of the back and forth logistics artwork on the the project. I thought the mini series had turned into a "print to order" online comic or something. Regardless of the logistics or who participated... I'd expect whatever they promised. $50 for a pdf is just stealing people's money. |
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Post by vikingspawn on Oct 3, 2011 20:45:15 GMT -5
Yea, paying $50 and just ending up with a pdf is pretty crummy. I remember the promotional threads about the project it had on some forums years back but didn't know he was taking money/donations for it.
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Post by Andrew R on Oct 3, 2011 23:23:17 GMT -5
I believe he had Issue 1 drawn and ready to print but couldn't afford the printing fees. I know he tried soliciting through Diamond back in 2009 but they demanded that he provide documentation that he had permission to use all those characters. He spent most of the year getting everyone to sign the paperwork. Meanwhile, several tie-ins to the mini-series were released LONG before #1 saw print (I'm a sucker. I have all of them.)
He finally went the Kickstart route and got the money to print a bunch of books for last year's NYCC. He went on his Facebook saying he was going to send all the Kickstarters a nice "package' for their help but nothing ever came of that. Again, I was happy to donate the money to get the book printed. I started getting upset with all the broken promises. I have several e-mails from Dave saying "Gimme your address and I'll send it out." In fact, this weekend I asked again and he asked for my address AGAIN! This was like the 6th time I've sent it to him.
Diamond has the "regular" version of #1 solicited for this month. We'll see if it actually gets a wide release now. It's funny - It was originally set as a 6-issue mini-series but somewhere along the way, Dave said it's now an ongoing series!
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 4, 2011 4:03:57 GMT -5
Sure... these creators who CAN afford to print a comic are just going to let this guy use their characters for his own personal profit. Sounds like BS to me. A one-shot or a mini... maybe. An ongoing... unlikely.
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Post by Andrew R on Oct 10, 2011 23:04:46 GMT -5
Still waiting for him to send the comic. Another guy on Facebook asked him the same thing. No answer.
I give up.
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 11, 2011 4:15:59 GMT -5
Still waiting for him to send the comic. Another guy on Facebook asked him the same thing. No answer. I give up. There are a lot of flawed individuals that think their own personal needs justify their actions and that other people should just understand why do what they do. Back when the comics market started collapsing in the 90's, I had friends that were retailers and friends that were customers. Some of my friends that were customers would get into a money bind and just quit picking up the comics they'd preordered. The retailer friend would ask me if the person was still going to pick up their comics. The customer friend would tell me "yeah, I'm just trying to get caught up on some bills. I will buy what I ordered." In almost every case where this happened, the retailer wasn't going to be upset that the customer might want to drop the hobby. They were upset that they didn't know when to quit ordering comics for the person. The customer friend would assure me that "yeah, I'm going to buy them." Ultimately, they never did and I had to tell the retailer "Quit ordering the comics. He says he's going to want them, but I don't believe it." There is just some mechanism of shame that enters in and makes certain people lie. I've seen good and normally trustworthy friends do it. A girl years ago got laid off from my work. We stayed in touch after she left. On two occasions I gave her $50, because she was financially struggling. She assured me she was going to pay me back, but I assumed she wouldn't. Recently, she got hired back and I said nothing about the money. She actually brought it up and said she'd pay me back. To this day I've seen nothing. You'd think she might try to pay me back a dollar at a time... nothing. Defiant1 |
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Post by Andrew R on Feb 10, 2013 0:26:20 GMT -5
Here's an update tho it's not a current update:
Sometime around December 2011, I finally got my "nice" package from Dave. It was two copies of the NYCC edition of the book (the one I actually Kickstarted back in 2010), two copies of the "retail" edition, ashcan of Issue #2 and a sketch of Thor that he did for a Marvel card project earlier that year. Was it worth the (over a) year wait? Eh. At least I got something finally after so many broken promises. I just didn't care anymore.
Since then, Issues #2 and 3 have come out (February and May of last year) and Issue #4 thru 6 are
"being worked on." However, Dave came up with the "brilliant" idea of not letting Issue #6 have an ending. No. If you want to read the ending, you have to buy the TPB of the first 6 issues which will come with the end. WTH? "This thrilling series will end in the TPB! Buy it soon to see how this series ends!" Really?
Apparently, he farmed out the first issues of the "ongoing" series to someone else. But when that's released, who knows?
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Post by gowaltrip on Feb 10, 2013 1:24:55 GMT -5
However, Dave came up with the "brilliant" idea of not letting Issue #6 have an ending. No. If you want to read the ending, you have to buy the TPB of the first 6 issues which will come with the end. WTH? "This thrilling series will end in the TPB! Buy it soon to see how this series ends!" Really? That has to be one of the worst PR moves I've ever seen to buy a TPB for a comic series you've been following. Go ahead and pay for 95% of a story you already own to read how it REALLY ends. That is just pathetic!!! |
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Post by Defiant1 on Feb 10, 2013 3:25:51 GMT -5
I just didn't care anymore. This sums up how I'd feel about it. After hearing more details on how kickstarter works, it sounds more like a "good 'ol boy" system. I honestly question the legalities of how they operate. Defiant1 |
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Wow!