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Post by jt on Feb 22, 2005 23:49:18 GMT -5
Defiant1's angelfire site has great content, but I've found it to be a tad sluggish to navigate. With his permission, I copied the content and tried to make it play nice. I present it to you now because it is almost complete and I'd like to hear if anyone has any objections to what I've done. I do not in any way want to step on anyone's toes or diminish what Defiant1 and others have contributed. Should the feedback prove positive, the goal is to include Valiant, Defiant and possibly more universes. Should the feedback prove negative, I happily delete everything and go back to focusing on collecting. broadway.rapdb.com |
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Post by Brother J on Feb 23, 2005 4:51:28 GMT -5
looks pretty darn good to me.... ;D
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Post by Todd Luck on Feb 23, 2005 8:05:53 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the old site, but your remastering looks alright so far. The only glitch I ran into, was the images in "misc art" didn't work for me for some reason (they had these wierd colored blocks covering the image)
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Post by depluto on Feb 23, 2005 12:25:09 GMT -5
Four stars! Two thumbs up! Outstanding!
How's that for positive feedback? I really like the look and navigationability of the site.
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Post by Defiant1 on Feb 23, 2005 17:57:02 GMT -5
I was really impressed by the content. ;D
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Post by depluto on Feb 23, 2005 20:37:10 GMT -5
I was really impressed by the content. ;D Defiant1 Well, that just goes without saying. Which is ... er, why I didn't say anything. ;D |
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Post by knightt on Feb 24, 2005 1:06:17 GMT -5
Yep, nothing wrong with this site but JT, you have done some really nice work there !!! Good job !
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Post by jt on Feb 24, 2005 22:15:13 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input everyone. Judging by the comments here and the ones sent to me through the new site, it looks like overall voice is indifference. Most of the comments noted the satisfaction with the angelfire sites so I doubt I'll continue on. Thanks for letting me take a shot at it.
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Post by Defiant1 on Feb 24, 2005 22:32:37 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input everyone. Judging by the comments here and the ones sent to me through the new site, it looks like overall voice is indifference. Most of the comments noted the satisfaction with the angelfire sites so I doubt I'll continue on. Thanks for letting me take a shot at it. JT Creating a site like this is like writing a listing in an encyclopedia. Everyone wants that listing to exist if they go looking for it, but 99 out of 100 times people aren't looking for the information. Even the most well established sites don't have people scouring each page daily to read all of the tidbits. I've had people donate in triplicate things that I already have posted. I guess you might have found out that even with the content & information already provided, creating the site from scratch can be work. I hope you decide to keep the site going with or without my name anywhere on it. It can take months for search engines to start listing your page. It takes years to get a core group of people who are willing to check back. It takes steady updates to stay listed in the search engines. It takes a good batch of popular keywords intermingled in the pages to draw in new visitors. I think your site is great. My only negative comment is the color. I personally don't have a great affinity towards the color orange. I know you used a template provided by the host, so I wasn't going to jab about that. All-in-all that a very minor issue. I'm sorry to hear that you don't wish to continue. I bet Ryan McLelland wouldn't mind you picking up on his prevous work, plus I'm sorting/scanning/arranging my comics every free moment I get. I expect to start doing a Catfish Comics site whenever I get another wild hair. Defiant1 |
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Post by jt on Feb 26, 2005 16:55:25 GMT -5
All valid points. I apologize if I may have come across an internet nube. I'm not naive enough to believe one is going to become an internet sensation overnight. I was purposely not looking that far ahead. I see basically 4 types of sites out there: common commercial sites, uncommon commercial sites, new hobby sites and exiting hobby sites. Each of course requiring their own course of action. I'd call this an existing hobby site. From my own experience, these are the toughest to please people with mainly because of previous familiarity with what's already out there. I would consider the members of this board the core fan-base of your sites and in my opinion, they are most definitely the ones whose opinions matter most. That being said, I am most certainly not opposed to continuing on with what I've begun, and of course do not want to look like I'm trying to steal someone's thunder, especially considering I'm the new guy here. I'm not trying to please everyone, just the core. Since I am the webhost I felt I was entitled to use one of my own templates  . Well technically designed by an associate of mine, but I digress. So in regards to the look, I'm definitely open to visual changes. If you'd care to recommend a different color, I'll try to implement it, or if you'd prefer an entirely different look, may I recommend one of these: template103.slabindustries.com/template104.slabindustries.com/template107.slabindustries.com/template109.slabindustries.com/Considering you seem to be on board with this idea, I'll certainly keep this as a front-burner project. And let me ask you this because this was another thing I was bouncing around in my head the other day: Imagine there was a section of the site where you could log in and build a want-list of the comics you're looking for. You click a button and the site would check your want list against the inventory at milehigh and mycomicshop and maybe do a simple ebay search and bring it all back to one page. Do you guys think there's any interest in something like that? JT |
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Post by knightt on Feb 26, 2005 18:01:14 GMT -5
Yes, I would... and if it were printable, that would be even better.  |
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Post by Defiant1 on Feb 26, 2005 18:57:53 GMT -5
All valid points. I apologize if I may have come across an internet nube. I'm not naive enough to believe one is going to become an internet sensation overnight. I was purposely not looking that far ahead. I see basically 4 types of sites out there: common commercial sites, uncommon commercial sites, new hobby sites and exiting hobby sites. Each of course requiring their own course of action. I'd call this an existing hobby site. From my own experience, these are the toughest to please people with mainly because of previous familiarity with what's already out there. I would consider the members of this board the core fan-base of your sites and in my opinion, they are most definitely the ones whose opinions matter most. That being said, I am most certainly not opposed to continuing on with what I've begun, and of course do not want to look like I'm trying to steal someone's thunder, especially considering I'm the new guy here. I'm not trying to please everyone, just the core. Since I am the webhost I felt I was entitled to use one of my own templates . Well technically designed by an associate of mine, but I digress. So in regards to the look, I'm definitely open to visual changes. If you'd care to recommend a different color, I'll try to implement it, or if you'd prefer an entirely different look, may I recommend one of these: template103.slabindustries.com/template104.slabindustries.com/template107.slabindustries.com/template109.slabindustries.com/Considering you seem to be on board with this idea, I'll certainly keep this as a front-burner project. And let me ask you this because this was another thing I was bouncing around in my head the other day: Imagine there was a section of the site where you could log in and build a want-list of the comics you're looking for. You click a button and the site would check your want list against the inventory at milehigh and mycomicshop and maybe do a simple ebay search and bring it all back to one page. Do you guys think there's any interest in something like that? JT Any kind of want list feature for other visitors would be a great bonus. My pesonal feeling is that you lose a little credibility by diverting people to and endorsing specific retailers. As far as I'm concerned that is an ad whether it's generated any revenue or not. I do list some observed prices for titles, but I purposely omitted making the web links clickable. The visitor can verify that the retailer is selling the material, but it's not actually a link. I can honestly say that if I felt your site was endorsing a retailer, I would just consider all on the info skewed. That is one reason the webmaster at a certain valiant comics site never even began top earn an ounce of my respect in his first 5 years running his site. I tend to avoid any site that has an agenda other than supplying information. I'm particularly of short patience when an agenda is forced into my face with every click. As far as categorizing my site, it's ambitious to call this an existing hobby. While there might have been some copies selling here and there, I created a collectible market for these books. CorvetteJim out west and Nighthawk in the midwest don't constitute an existing Defiant Comics hobby. It's not until you add an avenue for common discussion that a hobby exists. I'm not saying that to toot my own horn, it's just that out-of-sight equals out-of-mind. There are enough retailers that consider these books worthless that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've slowly shattered that myth by dispensing information. Prices will always rise when people start asking about the books. My site has prompted people to ask. I guess you have to ask yourself what your goal is. 10 people is not enough to generate web hits for a profitable site. I'm up to maybe a few hundred visitors a month, but most of thiose people are trangender-curious people who are interested in the unpublished Makeshift art. If you subtract them you get a disproportionate amount of creators looking up their own work or art collectors searching for obscure art for sale. I consider myself to be very good at getting attention through any tools possible means whether my attention is positive or negative. Even now brains across america are creating proteins necessary for remembering me and their nuerons are deciding whether to forward impulses through their axons. Short term memory is converting to long term memory. They have no choice. I created the reaction by being a different experience in their life. The only way your site will be remembered is by doing something or being different than everyone else. Some will hate it. Some will love it. All will be afflicted with the inability to forget it. The template suffices. I attempted to make my site reflect the color palette of the comics themselves. Broadway started with a white background and a black border. Later Fatale's red lipstick became a prominent color. For my art page I used some grey backgrounds. I wanted a color that did not distract the eye from the art. Grey was nuetral and it also appears throughout the B&W comics. That's probably why I picked those colors. Orange just tends to be distractive to me. It reminds me of pumpkins and football. Whenever I see someone wear orange, I always tell people around them that they have a 2nd job at Hooters. For some strange reason people avoid wearing orange if they know they will see me. Defiant1 |
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Post by RedAngel on Mar 25, 2005 12:09:13 GMT -5
I expect to start doing a Catfish Comics site whenever I get another wild hair. Defiant1 Hello! Are you talking about the "Catfish Comics" that put out a Sinnamon comic book? If so, I hope you get that wild hair as soon as possible! ;D |
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 25, 2005 18:14:53 GMT -5
Hello! Are you talking about the "Catfish Comics" that put out a Sinnamon comic book? If so, I hope you get that wild hair as soon as possible! ;D Why do I feel as though Alvero Fracassi has paid a visit!? If so it's been years! maybe he sent you this way?! Due to my time constraints, you will have to settle with this thread below for awhile. I think it's enough to shock you.... defiant1.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=GeneralComics&action=display&thread=1100144614It is not complete by any means. That is just where I've posted the issues I've scanned. Somehow I feel as though I need to contact you for all the oddball comics I'm missing... maybe that Bikini Assassin Team variant etc. Defiant1 P.S. Fix that homepage link or I might do it for you. |
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Post by RedAngel on Mar 25, 2005 19:10:30 GMT -5
Why do I feel as though Alvero Fracassi has paid a visit!? If so it's been years! maybe he sent you this way?! Alvero doesn't control me. If anything, I control his sorry Austrian backside. ;D As for your other comments, I checked the link - tres cool! Bikini Assassin Team variant?! Was there such a beast? The book had a Catfish logo, but I didn't have much say in it. Although I did get to drop in on the cover photoshoot. As for fixing the homepage link, the Catfish Home Page will have its Grand Re-Opening when we publish ... ah ... but that would be telling! |
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Post by Defiant1 on Mar 25, 2005 22:34:48 GMT -5
Bikini Assassin Team variant?! Was there such a beast? I saw a solicitation for it somewhere. I guess I should "nyx" the idea getting one (should it exist). The book had a Catfish logo, but I didn't have much say in it. Although I did get to drop in on the cover photoshoot. As for fixing the homepage link, the Catfish Home Page will have its Grand Re-Opening when we publish ... ah ... but that would be telling! Well, the secret is already out because I used the magic of Cut and Paste and found it. If Michael has any art for sale, let me know. I was always a fan of his art, but I lost track of the characters when Avatar started using them. It's funny now seeing Pia Guerra's mainstream success with "Y: The last man". Last year I embarrassingly asked Jimmy Palmiotti about his work on Bruiser. He swore he knew nothing about it and that I "must" have been confusing him with his brother Peter Palmiotti. I walked away and felt like a moron thinking "Yeah, Peter did ink some stuff... Why did I think Jimmy had done something?" Sure enough I get home and Jimmy is credited with the pencils to the cover of Mythic's #1 issue. Either that was just an insignificant memory to him or he's ashamed of his work. Speaking of Bruiser. I have Anthem's #1 issue. Is there a #2 from Anthem? If so, where would be the best place to find one? I'm also at a loss for memory on Sinnamon #9. There was a red foil and the very limited black foil. Were there any other colors? My comics are now scattered. I'm wondering if I can quit looking for variants. I'm not even sure what the regular version looked like. Defiant1 |
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. Well technically designed by an associate of mine, but I digress. So in regards to the look, I'm definitely open to visual changes. If you'd care to recommend a different color, I'll try to implement it, or if you'd prefer an entirely different look, may I recommend one of these:
