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Post by Defiant1 on Jan 17, 2008 4:06:27 GMT -5
Strange Kiss... I bought this because I thought it should be good. Quickly discovered that it didn't interest me. This was the nail in the coffin for me buying Avatar. I've had zero interest in the company since. defiant1
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Post by gowaltrip on Jan 17, 2008 11:07:04 GMT -5
I have gotten a couple of their Chaos related books. I havent really read them or looked at them much. I just got them and filed them away. Its like Chaos light on the Lady Death's I have. A much cleaner staler version that lacked any punch. Its kind of sad because they look like if they could get the talent together, they can make some quality books. The production values seem to be there. But the material and team is not meshing well in my opinion. There just isnt anything that says "get me" at this point. Actually, the cover you post here looks kind of cool. But Im sure if I seen it on the stands, I would pass right over it.
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Post by Brother J on Jan 18, 2008 8:45:36 GMT -5
Aren't Avatar the guys who put out Threshold, the books with the scantily clad chicks on the cover of which you have a cover scan gallery?
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Post by Quato on Jan 18, 2008 11:51:05 GMT -5
Aren't Avatar the guys who put out Threshold, the books with the scantily clad chicks on the cover of which you have a cover scan gallery? Yes. I only own maybe 10 of their books with duplicates on the Medora covers that I did buy. Warren Ellis was supposed to be an improvement in quality I think. I didn't care for it. Q
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Post by Defiant1 on Dec 21, 2012 14:38:40 GMT -5
Avatar started picking up well done indy comics in the 90's. In the process they turned well done indy comics with women into soft porn. This is the comic that turned me off to Cavewoman as a character entirely. Although I'm not seeing any nudity in the Cavewoman story, there is a second apparently unrelated story about "Fauna" and it does feature that character topless for a few (or more) panels. Either way, I quit supporting Budd and his comics after this issue came out. I still think the early stuff by Budd is great. Cavewoman Color Special #1 Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Dec 21, 2012 14:43:53 GMT -5
I was thumbing through some dollar boxes one day and stumbled across this. It is the oldest comic by a publisher called Avatar that I'd ever seen. I'm assuming it's the same Avatar that is around today. It would be nice to know what their first comic was. Heroes Inc. #1 Defiant1
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Post by Defiant1 on Dec 21, 2012 14:46:55 GMT -5
Here are some Michael Delaney (censored) variant covers for Threshhold. These are in my Catfish Comics checklist (much to publisher Angelo Furlan's dismay). Sorry Angelo... I'm a completist. Threshold #35 Threshold #44 Defiant1
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Post by gowaltrip on Dec 21, 2012 18:19:36 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's the same Avatar that is around today. It would be nice to know what their first comic was. Heroes Inc. #1 Defiant1 I often wonder this about a lot of companies. I also often wonder what the last comic of a company is (or group of comics by month). And I further often wonder what the last comic by a famous creator is when they die. It's very often when a creator is famous, we know what their 1st comic is. But it's rare you actually know what their last comic is. That's the kind of stuff I always want to know.
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Post by Defiant1 on Dec 21, 2012 18:32:33 GMT -5
I'm assuming it's the same Avatar that is around today. It would be nice to know what their first comic was. Heroes Inc. #1 Defiant1 I often wonder this about a lot of companies. I also often wonder what the last comic of a company is (or group of comics by month). And I further often wonder what the last comic by a famous creator is when they die. It's very often when a creator is famous, we know what their 1st comic is. But it's rare you actually know what their last comic is. That's the kind of stuff I always want to know. The problem with knowing the last comic by a creator is that stuff will still sometimes come out after they die. A prime example is Stephen Perry wrote a story for Mark Davis and it came out after he died. Finding the first comic from a company can also be confusing because publishers have always had phantom corporations. The first Charlton comic isn't a Charlton imprint comic. EC's first comic is a muddy history because it continued a series published by All-American & DC. Marvel was Timely, but then it was called Marvel in the late 40's, then it was called Atlas, then Marvel again. Unless you really know who owned what or who sold what, it's a crap shoot. J.G. Jones did his first published work at Defiant, but he had a comic published after he left Defiant called Rant that pre-dates his Defiant work. Defiant1
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Post by gowaltrip on Dec 21, 2012 18:57:53 GMT -5
I often wonder this about a lot of companies. I also often wonder what the last comic of a company is (or group of comics by month). And I further often wonder what the last comic by a famous creator is when they die. It's very often when a creator is famous, we know what their 1st comic is. But it's rare you actually know what their last comic is. That's the kind of stuff I always want to know. The problem with knowing the last comic by a creator is that stuff will still sometimes come out after they die. A prime example is Stephen Perry wrote a story for Mark Davis and it came out after he died. Finding the first comic from a company can also be confusing because publishers have always had phantom corporations. The first Charlton comic isn't a Charlton imprint comic. EC's first comic is a muddy history because it continued a series published by All-American & DC. Marvel was Timely, but then it was called Marvel in the late 40's, then it was called Atlas, then Marvel again. Unless you really know who owned what or who sold what, it's a crap shoot. J.G. Jones did his first published work at Defiant, but he had a comic published after he left Defiant called Rant that pre-dates his Defiant work. Defiant1 There are variables with everything. There will always be things that come out posthumously that clouds the picture. But I would think in a lot of cases, SOMEONE knows what the last book someone worked on and was actually published in the normal production month for a company is. Either from the company itself, or spouses, family, friends...etc. It would seem we have reached the day and age where stuff like that could be known a little bit easier. Often the most interesting topics with comics are 1st's and lasts.
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Post by Defiant1 on Dec 21, 2012 19:23:15 GMT -5
The problem with knowing the last comic by a creator is that stuff will still sometimes come out after they die. A prime example is Stephen Perry wrote a story for Mark Davis and it came out after he died. Finding the first comic from a company can also be confusing because publishers have always had phantom corporations. The first Charlton comic isn't a Charlton imprint comic. EC's first comic is a muddy history because it continued a series published by All-American & DC. Marvel was Timely, but then it was called Marvel in the late 40's, then it was called Atlas, then Marvel again. Unless you really know who owned what or who sold what, it's a crap shoot. J.G. Jones did his first published work at Defiant, but he had a comic published after he left Defiant called Rant that pre-dates his Defiant work. Defiant1 There are variables with everything. There will always be things that come out posthumously that clouds the picture. But I would think in a lot of cases, SOMEONE knows what the last book someone worked on and was actually published in the normal production month for a company is. Either from the company itself, or spouses, family, friends...etc. It would seem we have reached the day and age where stuff like that could be known a little bit easier. Often the most interesting topics with comics are 1st's and lasts. Artists work on so many things and there is a delay from the time they submit the art from the time it is finalized for print. Artists have an idea of what they've done or where their art saw print, but they stay busy and forget. Someone handed J. Scott Campbell a comic to sign and he said "I don't think I drew anything in that." The collector opens it up and shows him a piece of art he'd done. He looked very interested as if he didn't get paid for it being included. When a series gets cancelled, the unpublished art often goes into storage for years. Only in the past decade have I seen artists putting together lists of what they've done. It's become expected of them now. Defiant1
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