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Scud
Jul 6, 2006 20:56:20 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Jul 6, 2006 20:56:20 GMT -5
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Scud
Jul 6, 2006 23:24:36 GMT -5
Post by Quato on Jul 6, 2006 23:24:36 GMT -5
One of my friends that lured me towards Valiant was a fan of this. I never cared for it. I never made any attempt to buy any. Q
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Scud
Jul 7, 2006 6:56:59 GMT -5
Post by Brother J on Jul 7, 2006 6:56:59 GMT -5
I know Whetteon at Lyria is a big fan of Scud. I remember when it first came out and the prices were high for the first issue, so I never got a chance to get into it back then. Too cheap, I guess!
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Scud
Jul 7, 2006 10:50:21 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Jul 7, 2006 10:50:21 GMT -5
I know Whetteon at Lyria is a big fan of Scud. I remember when it first came out and the prices were high for the first issue, so I never got a chance to get into it back then. Too cheap, I guess! The early issues are still worth some money (or are impossible to find). Someone should either post this info (or a link to it) on Lyria or PM it to Whetteon. Some of those sites are harder to find than others and some of them just came about in the last few years (Scrab's Scud retrospective was just done this year. for instance). Scud and Fireman Press was one of the best things to come out of the 90's. I still gotta get a Sega Saturn just so I can get the Scud game and play it.
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Scud
Jul 11, 2006 10:16:46 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Jul 11, 2006 10:16:46 GMT -5
I'm reading through my Scud comics. That retrospective really does put the series in a new perspective. The movie wars issue was my least favorite issue but now reading it a decade later, knowing what inspired it, it's a really neat analogy, especially the ending.
Scud says to the evil alien movie Producer (who's in a big robot named EGO):
"That's cool. Can you NOT poop on me anymore?"
LOL
Man, I think we've all been there.
Another thing that was interesting is the script writing robot at the end said he was working on a script with a character just like Scud who would be rewarded by being turned into a human at the end. Scud didn't like that idea, too much like Pinochio. He thought it would work better if the character was true to themselves and not trying to be something they're not.
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Scud
Jul 11, 2006 10:36:16 GMT -5
Post by Quato on Jul 11, 2006 10:36:16 GMT -5
I'm reading through my Scud comics. That retrospective really does put the series in a new perspective. The movie wars issue was my least favorite issue but now reading it a decade later, knowing what inspired it, it's a really neat analogy, especially the ending. Scud says to the evil alien movie Producer (who's in a big robot named EGO): "That's cool. Can you NOT poop on me anymore?" LOL Man, I think we've all been there. Another thing that was interesting is the script writing robot at the end said he was working on a script with a character just like Scud who would be rewarded by being turned into a human at the end. Scud didn't like that idea, too much like Pinochio. He thought it would work better if the character was true to themselves and not trying to be something they're not. I can't get past an unappealing art style, so the story, plot and references are out of context for me. I'm more inclined to like something abstract like Jim Woodring's JIM. Q
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Scud
Jul 11, 2006 11:16:03 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Jul 11, 2006 11:16:03 GMT -5
I can't get past an unappealing art style, so the story, plot and references are out of context for me. I love the art style. It's one of the draws of the book.
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Scud
Jul 11, 2006 13:17:06 GMT -5
Post by Quato on Jul 11, 2006 13:17:06 GMT -5
I can't get past an unappealing art style, so the story, plot and references are out of context for me. I love the art style. It's one of the draws of the book. I prefer a more organic feel to art. Sharp lines and curves are annoying to me. Generically speaking, even sharp pointed elbows annoy me. Q
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Aug 24, 2006 1:39:52 GMT -5
Post by Quato on Aug 24, 2006 1:39:52 GMT -5
Am I to understand that the movie Monster House was written by Rob Schrab? The reason I'm asking is that I consider it to be a swipe from an old Marvel story that appeared in a comic I read in the 70's... possibly the story had been reprinted from an older period.
Incredibles bothered me because it was a ripoff of the fantasic four with malproportioned characters. Monster House bothers me because it comes off as a new concept when it isn't. I'd already boycotted it because I think the originator of the living house concept should be getting paid. That's just me.
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Scud
Aug 24, 2006 13:50:52 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Aug 24, 2006 13:50:52 GMT -5
Am I to understand that the movie Monster House was written by Rob Schrab? The reason I'm asking is that I consider it to be a swipe from an old Marvel story that appeared in a comic I read in the 70's... possibly the story had been reprinted from an older period. Incredibles bothered me because it was a ripoff of the fantasic four with malproportioned characters. Monster House bothers me because it comes off as a new concept when it isn't. I'd already boycotted it because I think the originator of the living house concept should be getting paid. That's just me. Q I'm sure they'll do that just as soon as the people who own The Matrix pay Grant Morrison, John Orstrander, James Brock, etc .
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Aug 24, 2006 17:31:10 GMT -5
Post by Quato on Aug 24, 2006 17:31:10 GMT -5
Am I to understand that the movie Monster House was written by Rob Schrab? The reason I'm asking is that I consider it to be a swipe from an old Marvel story that appeared in a comic I read in the 70's... possibly the story had been reprinted from an older period. Incredibles bothered me because it was a ripoff of the fantasic four with malproportioned characters. Monster House bothers me because it comes off as a new concept when it isn't. I'd already boycotted it because I think the originator of the living house concept should be getting paid. That's just me. Q I'm sure they'll do that just as soon as the people who own The Matrix pay Grant Morrison, John Orstrander, James Brock, etc . Was the swipe that blatant? A living house with a carpet as a tongue is a little more blatant to me that a man living in a virtually reality world. Virtual reality immersion has been a concept discussed in a multitude of places. The best comic book presentation that I've ever read was Hudnall's "Harsh Realm" series. I hate fantasy gaming, but his series put a private investigator going into a virtual reality world to track down a kid that had shunned reality to live in a virtual reality gaming world forever. In one section the private investigator drinks from a pool and it enhances his vision. All very feasible in a simulated world. With the new chips that interface living tissue with computer circuits, I think higher levels of immersion are just a matter of time. www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/brainchips/index.htmlQ
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Scud
Aug 24, 2006 20:04:09 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Aug 24, 2006 20:04:09 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll do that just as soon as the people who own The Matrix pay Grant Morrison, John Orstrander, James Brock, etc . Was the swipe that blatant? Yes and they had nothing to do with virtual reality. I take it you haven't read the Invisibles or Magnus 21-24.
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Scud
Aug 24, 2006 22:21:41 GMT -5
Post by Defiant1 on Aug 24, 2006 22:21:41 GMT -5
Was the swipe that blatant? Yes and they had nothing to do with virtual reality. I take it you haven't read the Invisibles or Magnus 21-24. Matrix is about the human conciousness living within a machine and interfacing with a virtual/simulated world. Machines are using humans as batteries. Magnus 21-24 was just crap. No way in hell I'd call Matrix a swipe of those issues. Do I think Matrix borrowed from Magnus in general.... Yes. Don't forget though that evil robots have been around since the 50's and Magnus was just a semi-utopian departure from what was already touched on in the movies. If you want a dystopic view of machines overtaking the world, Terminator predates a dystopic Magnus and it predates Matrix also. Terminator had a huge impact on the creative process and how we think about machines interfacing with humans. But no, I haven't read Invisibles. I faintly recall hearing some comparisons. Looking at the Wikipedia (of which I have little regard), the summaries make me think that concepts might have been inspired, but the meat of the content is different. If I was an Invisibles fan and felt like it was a swipe... yeah, I'd boycott it. I sometimes ponder Office Space and Matrix in the same course of thought, but I'd never say one related to the other. Both involve an office and disgruntled people living out the daily grind. Similarities and swipes are two different things. A house with a doorway as a mouth goes beyond similarities. I'm not going to say you are wrong about Matrix, but I will say it slipped past my radar if it's a swipe. Monster House didn't. The Marvel story about a living house had a significant impact upon me and I would not sit down and write a story in that vein unless I was crediting the people that inspired me. I don't believe Rob thought of the idea on his own. He looks old enough to have read the same story I read. Harsh Realm is a good example though. As you may know, Chris Carter was under contract to supply Fox with original content of his own. He went out and used Hudnall's basic concept, modified it drastically and then neglected to credit Hudnall on the closing credits. A lawsuit followed, and the show had only about 8 episodes. It was pretty much cancelled as soon as Fox realized Carter wasn't providing his own concepts and the lawsuit was valid. Q
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Scud
Aug 25, 2006 8:15:18 GMT -5
Post by toddluck on Aug 25, 2006 8:15:18 GMT -5
Terminator had a huge impact on the creative process and how we think about machines interfacing with humans. Black robots with glowing red eyes that take a wide variety of horrific non-human shapes who place humans in spherical hybernation tanks (held on towering spires) in order to use them as an energy source. That wasn't in Terminator but that was the Malevs in the Malev Wars in Magnus to the "T." The VR part is were you start getting VERY heavy feelings of Deja Vu of The Invisibles and the movie Dark City (Morrison even sued over the Invisibles similarities). And, of course, the action scene are well-done imitations of John Woo. Honestly, I consider these things homages and sources of inspiration, not something to get offened over. If you're going to borrow, borrow from the best and don't hide it. That's what they did.
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Scud
Aug 25, 2006 8:44:45 GMT -5
Post by Defiant1 on Aug 25, 2006 8:44:45 GMT -5
I love the art style. It's one of the draws of the book. I prefer a more organic feel to art. Sharp lines and curves are annoying to me. Generically speaking, even sharp pointed elbows annoy me. Q I did see it mentioned that Morrison felt it was a swipe. It's hard for society & culture not to affect more than one creative mind in the same way at the same time. The displacement of monster house from the source material was what bothers me. Incredibles bothered me more. Defiant1
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