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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 31, 2004 23:57:54 GMT -5
Here's a cut and paste of a question I asked Rob Liefeld online.... DEFIANT1: Rob, You are invited to comment on the crossover project you were going to do with Jim Shooter during the old Defiant comics days. I know Defiant kicked the bucket, but do you have any notable memories about it? Is there a reason the process didn't escalate closer to fruition? Jim Shooter had commented about it in a Defiant Comics editorial and it seemed to be something he was supporting. I have always supected the the B.L.O.O.D.S.C.R.E.A.M storyline/parody in Broadway Comics "Shadow State" series might have been an attempt to salvage ideas intended for your collaboration. Rob's Reply: I can't for the life of me remember exactly why the Shooter gig was pushed back and eventually crumbled, but I love his work, his Avengers run is the best and seeds from those issues are still being used to develop the comic today...witness the events of Avengers Disassembled. Not familiar with the Bloodscream parody at all, first I've heard of it... The link: www.millarworld.net/index.php?showtopic=18086&st=4400Defiant1 |
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Post by Todd Luck on Sept 5, 2004 15:06:23 GMT -5
Here's a cut and paste of a question I asked Rob Liefeld online.... DEFIANT1: Rob, You are invited to comment on the crossover project you were going to do with Jim Shooter during the old Defiant comics days. I know Defiant kicked the bucket, but do you have any notable memories about it? Is there a reason the process didn't escalate closer to fruition? Jim Shooter had commented about it in a Defiant Comics editorial and it seemed to be something he was supporting. I have always supected the the B.L.O.O.D.S.C.R.E.A.M storyline/parody in Broadway Comics "Shadow State" series might have been an attempt to salvage ideas intended for your collaboration. Rob's Reply: I can't for the life of me remember exactly why the Shooter gig was pushed back and eventually crumbled, but I love his work, his Avengers run is the best and seeds from those issues are still being used to develop the comic today...witness the events of Avengers Disassembled. Not familiar with the Bloodscream parody at all, first I've heard of it... The link: www.millarworld.net/index.php?showtopic=18086&st=4400Defiant1 I doubt there would've been much about the "project" for Rob to remember. In an interview he gave at the time he said he wanted Shooter to write "his type of story" and Rob would "rise to the occasion" to illustate whatever it was. If i remember correctly, Shooter later said in an interview that Liefield mentioned them working together on a Youngblood story and Shooter told Liefield to call him. Liefield never called. The only thing anyone got out of the exchange were stupid rumors about Liefield joining Defiant or Shooter leaving to join Image. |
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 5, 2004 16:11:35 GMT -5
I doubt there would've been much about the "project" for Rob to remember. In an interview he gave at the time he said he wanted Shooter to write "his type of story" and Rob would "rise to the occasion" to illustate whatever it was. If i remember correctly, Shooter later said in an interview that Liefield mentioned them working together on a Youngblood story and Shooter told Liefield to call him. Liefield never called. The only thing anyone got out of the exchange were stupid rumors about Liefield joining Defiant or Shooter leaving to join Image. I wanted to see what Rob would say. I expected that he'd either ignore my question or take a politically correct high road. He did the latter. One thing I will give Rob credit for is the fact that he has proven to be a consummate fan of comics. Even If I'm not wild about some of his work, his enthusiasm for the creation process is notable and I believe he wants to create great comics that appeal to the masses. I actually bought a few of his titles like Glory, Avengelyne, and Supreme because they each had components that made them interesting and different than the stereotypical Image comic. Were they deep and thought provoking works? Of course not. Were they an "in your face" roller coaster with some interesting twists and turns? Ocassionally. This thread was a test thread. I want to see how many hits the name Rob Liefeld will bring to my site. If it brings in more than Su McTeigue (and BTW..her name has done VERY well), I'll be paying attention. I also needed someone to point me to a really good site about his character Glory so that I can help out the people who come here accidently. I've been too lazy to look for one on my own. Defiant1 |
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Post by Pauline Weiss on Sept 19, 2004 9:38:15 GMT -5
A bit on the genesis of B.L.O.O.D.S.C.R.E.A.M.:
The B.L.O.O.D.S.C.R.E.A.M. concept was rooted in the Liefeld collaboration, but not the way that you might think. I was involved in editing and working through plot sessions on the titles I was responsible for (WoP, Good Guys, DD, Glory) with Jim in Defiant's last few months. He was incredibly busy at the time - he literally did oversee the creative on every title - and didn't have much time to spare to catch up on all of his commitments. So for the longest time - I think even before I started working there formally - he had a stack of Image comics sitting on his desk, which he needed to read through in preparation for his collaboration with Rob. (He never took them home, he just expected to find the time during the day to read them. Given we were all doing 12 hour + days, I don't know what he was thinking.)
He'd idly peruse them while we were sitting around in plot sessions, and would note how woefully behind he was in his reading. It was during one of the Good Guys plot sessions - we were trying to come up with the next story arc - when he was thumbing through an Image book and said, "what if someone was dreaming about Image characters? What if we had the Good Guys fighting super-muscled freak Rob Liefeld characters? Giant steroid guys and nosecone babes?" We decided that would be the spin-off point; the arc would have started in Good Guys 11.
So - the "Image Isn't Everything" concept - what if Image characters walked around in the real world - itself was completely and originally Jim's, but would not have come about if he hadn't had Image on the brain because of his upcoming collaboration with Rob. As I remember, the collaboration just never happened because of the old "he's busy - I'm busy" conundrum.
A month or so ago I found my electronic files from the Defiant days, and I now just looked and found notes from both the plot session tape as well as the beginnings of the script, which was written to page 13. In reviewing the script now, I see that whole panels of dialogue were lifted and used in the first issue of Shadow State. The scenario (guy in prison with the babe wife he thinks is cheating on him with the pool man) is there; other than the characters names being different it's pretty much the same setup. No problem - we were only plagiarizing ourselves, after all.
(As a side note - I also remember that at this point Jim was pulling back a lot of the writing into his office, which explains why I was pulling the script together, as opposed to an external writer. This would be the genesis of our committee-style writing at Broadway.)
Happy to send script and notes to you, Defiant1, if you're posting stuff again; otherwise, anyone who wants a copy can send me an e-mail at defiant@comic.com and I'll send the Word files to you.
pauline
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 19, 2004 12:23:10 GMT -5
Cool story.
You can send the notes.
I still haven't had a moment to read the previous batch of scripts, but I did format them all as .pdf's and I intended to have them posted by this weekend.
Complication followed. The motherboard on the computer which stores all Master copies of the files is dying. It stores the template for my entire site. I have a lot of the files backed up elsewhere, some in triplicate, but rebuilding that computer or replacing it will be a huge undertaking. As of last night, that computer won't even get online.
I think I just saved the FTP settings on a thumb drive. Losing those would be a tremendous setback.
The computer I'm on now has just been upgraded and the storage capacity expanded. If you send the files, they'll be safe.
Defiant1
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Post by Todd Luck on Sept 19, 2004 13:57:56 GMT -5
Response to Paulina: The characters in "Till Death Do Us Part" were almost Good Guy "villians". Wow  I always suspected a Defiant connection since their origins fit so perfectly with that universe. Never imagined them fighting the Good Guys, though. Now that I think of it, it's a perfect match. And to Defiant1: My sympathies with the computer problems. Hope you get it fixed. Can't wait to see the script notes. |
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Post by nighthawk on Sept 28, 2004 19:16:39 GMT -5
I remember seeing a full page add with Jim Shooter's name with Rob Liefeld's, I think it was for a Youngblood story. I know I have it in one of my books somewhere.
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Post by Todd Luck on Sept 28, 2004 21:55:04 GMT -5
I remember seeing a full page add with Jim Shooter's name with Rob Liefeld's, I think it was for a Youngblood story. I know I have it in one of my books somewhere. Yeah, Rob being Rob jumped the gun and slapped together an ad for the "project" before anything was even set up about it. When I metioned stupid rumors at the time about Shooter leaving Defiant to join Image (just one of many) that was the genesis of it. |
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Post by nighthawk on Sept 30, 2004 0:12:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Rob being Rob jumped the gun and slapped together an ad for the "project" before anything was even set up about it. When I metioned stupid rumors at the time about Shooter leaving Defiant to join Image (just one of many) that was the genesis of it. That's not surprising considering what a twit he is. That rumor was pretty stupid also. I never thought Shooter would leave Defiant and go to Image, and I never thought he would fit well at Image. My understanding was that Shooter was to write a Youngblood story, and Liefeld was to either write, or draw (one or the other) a Defiant story. I think Shooter wrote this in one of his editorials on month, and it was printed in the Defiant titles for that particular month (sorry Defiant1. I know this is probably on your editorials page but I'm too tired to look right now) ;D I do remember the ad though, I didn't know who actually was responsible for it, but it did appear to be Image-like. |
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Post by Defiant1 on Sept 30, 2004 11:16:51 GMT -5
That's not surprising considering what a twit he is. That rumor was pretty stupid also. I never thought Shooter would leave Defiant and go to Image, and I never thought he would fit well at Image. My understanding was that Shooter was to write a Youngblood story, and Liefeld was to either write, or draw (one or the other) a Defiant story. I think Shooter wrote this in one of his editorials on month, and it was printed in the Defiant titles for that particular month (sorry Defiant1. I know this is probably on your editorials page but I'm too tired to look right now) ;D I do remember the ad though, I didn't know who actually was responsible for it, but it did appear to be Image-like. The transcribed editorials were pulled in order to refocus on the comics themselves and focus less on what people were saying about them. I may at some point reformat the content of my site onto a DVD data disc. If I do that, I'd have links to full size scans of the comic, editorials, articles, audio, video and possibly more. All plans are on hold. As of yesterday morning, I wasn't sure if I could access the data on my hard drive and the backed up FTP passwords were lost on a second hard drive failure. The only computer left that I use at home now has 32KB worth of bad sectors, Ironically that 32KB worth of lost data just happen to be my passwords. Thankfully I recovered them from a USB thumb drive. I have no problem with Rob. I'm not wild about his art style nor the image type of storytelling, but he makes up for that in enthusiasm. For awhile his comics had some of the best computer coloring in the industry. I thought he picked some very reputable talent and genuinely put his best effort forth. Contrary to popular opinion though, I don't see Rob as being the devil. The devil would tempt people with better material. The devil never tempted me with an ugly woman and he sure couldn't tempt me with an image comics art style. Defiant1 |
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Post by nighthawk on Sept 30, 2004 23:28:04 GMT -5
The transcribed editorials were pulled in order to refocus on the comics themselves and focus less on what people were saying about them. I may at some point reformat the content of my site onto a DVD data disc. If I do that, I'd have links to full size scans of the comic, editorials, articles, audio, video and possibly more. All plans are on hold. As of yesterday morning, I wasn't sure if I could access the data on my hard drive and the backed up FTP passwords were lost on a second hard drive failure. The only computer left that I use at home now has 32KB worth of bad sectors, Ironically that 32KB worth of lost data just happen to be my passwords. Thankfully I recovered them from a USB thumb drive. I have no problem with Rob. I'm not wild about his art style nor the image type of storytelling, but he makes up for that in enthusiasm. For awhile his comics had some of the best computer coloring in the industry. I thought he picked some very reputable talent and genuinely put his best effort forth. Contrary to popular opinion though, I don't see Rob as being the devil. The devil would tempt people with better material. The devil never tempted me with an ugly woman and he sure couldn't tempt me with an image comics art style. Defiant1 Hah, that's a good one ;D. I've never really cared for his art style either. His attitude towards the comics may be much better than his attitude toward fans. He was at the Chicago ComiCon (now WizardWorld) about 11 years ago when Youngblood was pretty big. I went to get his autograph for a friend, and he wouldn't even look at the guys he was signing for, much less speak to them. I thought he was an ass. Others apparently felt the same way, and still do. I heard many negative remarks made about him just this last July at WizardWorld. I don't really care either way about him, but his attitude turned me off. Incidentally, I feel the same way about the guys from IDW, and Erik Larsen. I had him sign a book for me last year (which wasn't Savage Dragon) and he wouldn't even look at me. I've never been a huge fan of his either, but he did work on a book I liked. If Rob had worked on a Defiant title, I would have bought it because I tried to get most of the Defiant titles, but I wouldn't have bought it because I'm a fan of his, because I'm really not. |
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Post by vikingspawn on Aug 15, 2009 19:58:14 GMT -5
*old thread bump!* Wow...that was nice of her to post info on that.  Is she still working in the comics industry? So "Good Guys" #11 would have been the starting arc for the crossover! That's a pretty cool idea on how he was going to do that. "Image isn't Everything." Pretty cool. Sounds like Shooter was way more prepared for the crossover more so than Rob was. And they taped their plot sessions too? (I wouldn't mind sitting in on the Dark Horse/Gold Key plot sessions they might be doing for the new books now...) ;D I remember back in the early 90s, I had wondered if there would have been any more trouble/drama for Defiant when they were planning their "Glory" monthly since Liefeld had his own "Glory" character for Image...  |
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Post by Defiant1 on Aug 15, 2009 21:00:13 GMT -5
*old thread bump!* Wow...that was nice of her to post info on that. Is she still working in the comics industry? So "Good Guys" #11 would have been the starting arc for the crossover! That's a pretty cool idea on how he was going to do that. "Image isn't Everything." Pretty cool. Sounds like Shooter was way more prepared for the crossover more so than Rob was. And they taped their plot sessions too? (I wouldn't mind sitting in on the Dark Horse/Gold Key plot sessions they might be doing for the new books now...) ;D I remember back in the early 90s, I had wondered if there would have been any more trouble/drama for Defiant when they were planning their "Glory" monthly since Liefeld had his own "Glory" character for Image... Evidently there were a couple of potential legal battles on the horizon. I wonder if that helped them decide to shut down? Defiant1 |
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Post by magnusr on Aug 16, 2009 2:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by thebluescout on Aug 16, 2009 10:55:05 GMT -5
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