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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 29, 2007 14:33:42 GMT -5
Whether accurate or not, my list shows approximately 6,170 6174 6175 6181 (recount needed) different Charlton imprint publication and 54 Modern Comics' imprint publications. This is a total of 6224 6228 6229 6235 (recount needed) different Charlton issues, not counting Barcode type variants.
The title which has the most issues per my research is "Fightin' Marines" at 159 issues plus 1 Modern Comic reprint to bring the title up to 160 issues total.
Fightin' Army which started the following year trails it by only one issue.
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Post by gowaltrip on Apr 30, 2007 16:54:31 GMT -5
I think this is a very interesting stat because before I actually seen your checklist, I actually would have figured that Charlton has much higher numbers. I mean they were around for many years. A few decades even. I wonder how that compares as an estimate to the big 2 (DC and Marvel). I wonder what conservative estimates are on the number of individual comics published were over the years? How about a top 10 list of publishers and the estimated number of published comics? Who would place where? Im sure DC is number 1 and Marvel #2, but what is after that? How many books did Dell produce? Gold Key? Etc. Who places where? I actually see Charlton's run as doable. I think you brought it into perspective for me. Which brings me back to the fact that I have never seen any dealer with more than 1-200 Charltons at either a store or a convention at 1 time. I think anyone holding 1000 Charltons these days is quite a feat! I would think with determination 70% of the books are easily obtainable. Its the 30% obscure ones that would make the final piece of it all that more legendary. I think a new goal for me is to cross that 1,000 point and go from there. I can see myself after these for the next 20 years. I really want to see what I have at the age of 60 (God willing). It's going to be a great collection!
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Post by Defiant1 on Apr 30, 2007 18:26:42 GMT -5
6,000 is still an incredible task and there are some VERY obscure comics on the list. I think I'd almost go for the adult comics first. Good Humor, 150 New Cartoons, Cartoon Spice. Those would have been, very limited and too risque for a single guy to keep if he was trying to impress a woman on issues of morality. Negro Romances #4 might be triple digits for even low grade. I found out that Nature Boy preceded Showcase #4 by a few months and technically Beat DC to the punch on a superhero comeback. I guess other factors determine the start of the Silver age, but it would be funny if Charlton inspired it all.
For last issues, it appears Jan 1986 was the end. If so, I believe these all tie for the month and only the release order would define what their last book was.
Here are what I believe to be Jan. 1986 issues...
Atomic Mouse (2nd Series) 12 (ooops! my list was missing vol. 2)
Captain Willie Shultz #77
Dr. Graves #75
Iron Corporal #25-- Feb. 1986
Lil Genius #55
Professor Coffin #21 -- Feb. 1986
Timmy the Timid Ghost #26
Yang #17
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Post by Defiant1 on May 2, 2007 10:40:31 GMT -5
This is too mind draining. It's a pain digging up info because so many sites pull up as blank and just mimic info from overstreet whether right or wrong. Not to mention you have to put "-Heston" in Google to eliminate all the Charlton Heston references.
I thought Iron Corporal was a Jan 86 book. I saw it listed somwhere as January. Now I see that it and Professor Coffin are both February 86 on the cover.
I guess as I get scans for the other 1986 covers, I might find another February issue. ... maybe.
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Post by gowaltrip on May 2, 2007 13:32:20 GMT -5
I was kind of bummed when Professor Coffin appeared with a February 1986 cover date as well. I keep wanting 1 book to be officially known as the last. Lets say both Iron Corporal and Professor Coffin appear to be the last 2 issues. Is there a tiebreaker for release date/week or am I just dreaming on it? Like Professor Coffin comes out February 3rd and Iron Corporal came out February 10th (just an example)...is that possible? It would be so much easier if just 1 book came out as March 1986. Although between the 2 contenders we know of, I was really liking my Iron Corporal #25. I think the cover is pretty cool actually. (Although I know the cover is a reprinted cover).
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Post by Quato on May 2, 2007 18:14:33 GMT -5
I was kind of bummed when Professor Coffin appeared with a February 1986 cover date as well. I keep wanting 1 book to be officially known as the last. Lets say both Iron Corporal and Professor Coffin appear to be the last 2 issues. Is there a tiebreaker for release date/week or am I just dreaming on it? Like Professor Coffin comes out February 3rd and Iron Corporal came out February 10th (just an example)...is that possible? It would be so much easier if just 1 book came out as March 1986. Although between the 2 contenders we know of, I was really liking my Iron Corporal #25. I think the cover is pretty cool actually. (Although I know the cover is a reprinted cover). CBG used to track release dates, but I don't know if they were doing it in 1986. Probably not. If a store had cycle count records from back then, they might be able to pin down the week. More than likely they were delivered the same week. It would be ironic if "Proffesor Coffin" was the last book. If so, it nailed shut a 40 year publishing history. Q |
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Post by gowaltrip on May 4, 2008 16:40:38 GMT -5
I just reread this thread. A year later, I see just how intimidating hunting down Charltons is. Over the weekend I went comic shopping and seen some nice issues of Charltons at cheap prices. Amazingly, I didnt buy a one. I think I am becoming nit picky with Charltons. That is pretty rank. I used to be satisfied with anything that was a FN or better. Now I am turning away from them.
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Post by Quato on May 4, 2008 17:55:25 GMT -5
I just reread this thread. A year later, I see just how intimidating hunting down Charltons is. Over the weekend I went comic shopping and seen some nice issues of Charltons at cheap prices. Amazingly, I didnt buy a one. I think I am becoming nit picky with Charltons. That is pretty rank. I used to be satisfied with anything that was a FN or better. Now I am turning away from them. Well, I'm sorry to hear that but I pretty much narrowed down my choices to the really obscure stuff in VG or better. I'm getting some even lower grades in my bulk purchases, but I'm still plugging away. I think you should pick specific titles. Maybe some of the short ones that have odd themes. Something to give you a sense of accomplishment. The war comics are indeed intimidating. You could go after the first 10 of each series. Q |
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Post by gowaltrip on May 6, 2008 20:51:14 GMT -5
Im sure it was just a one day deal of me being cheap. I had a little bit of money and I wanted to buy something nice. Something nice hardly ever constitutes buying a Charlton. Sure, there are plenty of nice, very worthy Charltons that I would love to have and drool over and would throw my money at it hand over fist. Problem is, I never see those Charltons. Usually I see run of the mill drek that would be nice to add to my collection but they arent anything to write home about either. No, I was just in the mood for something with a tiny bit of eww value that day and nothing fit the bill. Next time when a few bucks is really all I want to spend, Charltons start getting very attractive to me. Dont worry, Im a lifer on them. My goal is to one day have a collection of Charltons to brag about. Keep in touch with me for 10 years  |
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Post by drew on Oct 4, 2010 18:26:48 GMT -5
I'm sure it was just a one day deal of me being cheap. I had a little bit of money and I wanted to buy something nice. Something nice hardly ever constitutes buying a Charlton. Sure, there are plenty of nice, very worthy Charltons that I would love to have and drool over and would throw my money at it hand over fist. Problem is, I never see those Charltons. Usually I see run of the mill drek that would be nice to add to my collection but they arent anything to write home about either. No, I was just in the mood for something with a tiny bit of eww value that day and nothing fit the bill. Next time when a few bucks is really all I want to spend, Charltons start getting very attractive to me. Dont worry, Im a lifer on them. My goal is to one day have a collection of Charltons to brag about. Keep in touch with me for 10 years The guy I have been buying from made a longbox purchase a few years back from a delivery type woman who took a lot of newsstand copy's before they ever hit the newsstand. suffice to say they are in (and I really hate to say this) "near mint" shape or maybe just a skoash under the NM status. He seems to have a few charltons,and the issues he dose have he has multiples of. 70's vintage stuff and a lot of ghost titles (D.C. and charlton) I had him price a couple and they are around 20.00 each,which is out of my range. I'm not too picky about grades and find that any comic store in my area that even HAS any charltons is a rare thing. I have been buying his lesser grade stuff,and I'll bring seven or eight up to the counter for him to price,at which point he just kinda looks through them and will say "I don't know lets say $25.00 for the bunch"......If you want, I'll see what he has for charlton,prices,grades etc and can let you know or put you in contact w/ him. |
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Post by gowaltrip on Oct 6, 2010 19:44:47 GMT -5
The guy I have been buying from made a longbox purchase a few years back from a delivery type woman who took a lot of newsstand copy's before they ever hit the newsstand. suffice to say they are in (and I really hate to say this) "near mint" shape or maybe just a skoash under the NM status. He seems to have a few charltons,and the issues he dose have he has multiples of. 70's vintage stuff and a lot of ghost titles (D.C. and charlton) I had him price a couple and they are around 20.00 each,which is out of my range. I'm not too picky about grades and find that any comic store in my area that even HAS any charltons is a rare thing. I have been buying his lesser grade stuff,and I'll bring seven or eight up to the counter for him to price,at which point he just kinda looks through them and will say "I don't know lets say $25.00 for the bunch"......If you want, I'll see what he has for charlton,prices,grades etc and can let you know or put you in contact w/ him. Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. I think the 1st time I seen this I read it on my phone at work so I couldn't respond then and then kind of forgot about it until I just seen it again. I appreciate the offer and would at the very least be interested, but I couldn't say I would be guaranteed to buy as money has been kind of closely budgeted and my buys are kind of spur of the moment situations more than I can say "send him my way" and its a done deal I would buy. If the person truly does have high grade Charltons, I could say I'd at least be interested with the potential to buy if the prices are reasonable. I've been actively buying Charltons about 5 years now and my modest collection has probably 5 books I would consider NM. And probably have about another 15-20 I would consider VF. To me high grade Charlton is like FN+ and above. So VF - NM copies would always be nice. But I've been seeing some CRAZY prices on even mid-grades and I'm not really willing to spend too much on Charltons unless its kinda key, has a classic cover or is just a real gem to start with. My Charlton purchases usually run into me more than me directly looking for them. Nonetheless, I appreciate your offer. Thanks! |
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Post by gowaltrip on Oct 6, 2010 19:54:02 GMT -5
Whether accurate or not, my list shows approximately 6,170 6174 6175 6181 (recount needed) different Charlton imprint publication and 54 Modern Comics' imprint publications. This is a total of 6224 6228 6229 6235 (recount needed) different Charlton issues, not counting Barcode type variants. The title which has the most issues per my research is "Fightin' Marines" at 159 issues plus 1 Modern Comic reprint to bring the title up to 160 issues total. Fightin' Army which started the following year trails it by only one issue. Defiant1 Just seen this post again. I think I got inspired a bit awhile back reading about that guy who purchased every DC comic in existence over at the CGC boards. I think at the time, it was somewhere around 34,000 comics. I've kind of had some pipe dream of chasing down all the Charltons although I'd dare say in my entire lifetime, I'd ever own 20% of the collection. Given the very useful numbers you give here, I'm only about 3-5% there now. Sometimes, I think I would just be happy to own 5 or 6 boxes of Charltons and just let that just be it. I'm always impressed when I see a dealer with more than 1 box. It happens so rarely that I think anyone with 2 boxes or more has an impressive collection. The Checklist also adds a lot to the inspiration too!  |
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Post by Defiant1 on Oct 6, 2010 20:11:29 GMT -5
Whether accurate or not, my list shows approximately 6,170 6174 6175 6181 (recount needed) different Charlton imprint publication and 54 Modern Comics' imprint publications. This is a total of 6224 6228 6229 6235 (recount needed) different Charlton issues, not counting Barcode type variants. The title which has the most issues per my research is "Fightin' Marines" at 159 issues plus 1 Modern Comic reprint to bring the title up to 160 issues total. Fightin' Army which started the following year trails it by only one issue. Defiant1 Just seen this post again. I think I got inspired a bit awhile back reading about that guy who purchased every DC comic in existence over at the *censored* boards. I think at the time, it was somewhere around 34,000 comics. I've kind of had some pipe dream of chasing down all the Charltons although I'd dare say in my entire lifetime, I'd ever own 20% of the collection. Given the very useful numbers you give here, I'm only about 3-5% there now. Sometimes, I think I would just be happy to own 5 or 6 boxes of Charltons and just let that just be it. I'm always impressed when I see a dealer with more than 1 box. It happens so rarely that I think anyone with 2 boxes or more has an impressive collection. The Checklist also adds a lot to the inspiration too! I've probably added 100 books to the list since creating the checklist. I find it unlikely you'll ever see a Charlton collector with everything. I've been looking for a copy of "Let's Read the Newspaper" for 3 years. I've never seen it referenced on any "For Sale" list. Robert Beerbohm who has been selling comics and art since the early 70's said he'd never heard of it. The thread listing the Gerber rares makes me wonder if some of them are even more rare today after earthquakes, floods, & fires for the past 30 years. Print runs were already low. Defiant1 |
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Post by drew on Oct 6, 2010 20:36:05 GMT -5
gowaltrip, I'll see just how many nm charltons he has and what issues. I've been collecting for about the last ten years now and the guy has a whole longbox that are THEE cleanest,nicest books,shiny,white pages,etc, I have ever seen outside of a glass case w/ unreal prices on them. I'll just write down a list and put it up for you, if you see any issue you can't live without I'll get you in touch w/ the guy. Reading your last post.... let me comment that I too was/am inspired by the checklist and would love to see it complete. (and am doing what I can to make that happen) I have a full longbox and a short box of charlton stuff,never thought of it as a impressive collection..lol My feelings on lesser grade stuff is to grab what I can, when I can, as Charltons are hard to find in ANY condition and I can always upgrade any issue found down the road. 159 Fighting marines,,,,heheh, only 118 left to go! d**n jar-heads! Fighting army...only 116 left to go.....Follow ME! Infantry leads the way!
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Post by gowaltrip on Oct 6, 2010 22:28:51 GMT -5
Just seen this post again. I think I got inspired a bit awhile back reading about that guy who purchased every DC comic in existence over at the *censored* boards. I think at the time, it was somewhere around 34,000 comics. I've kind of had some pipe dream of chasing down all the Charltons although I'd dare say in my entire lifetime, I'd ever own 20% of the collection. Given the very useful numbers you give here, I'm only about 3-5% there now. Sometimes, I think I would just be happy to own 5 or 6 boxes of Charltons and just let that just be it. I'm always impressed when I see a dealer with more than 1 box. It happens so rarely that I think anyone with 2 boxes or more has an impressive collection. The Checklist also adds a lot to the inspiration too! I've probably added 100 books to the list since creating the checklist. I find it unlikely you'll ever see a Charlton collector with everything. I've been looking for a copy of "Let's Read the Newspaper" for 3 years. I've never seen it referenced on any "For Sale" list. Robert Beerbohm who has been selling comics and art since the early 70's said he'd never heard of it. The thread listing the Gerber rares makes me wonder if some of them are even more rare today after earthquakes, floods, & fires for the past 30 years. Print runs were already low. Defiant1 I doubt I'll see or hear of anyone ever having them all either. I think the most I have ever seen at one time is at a Convention, I crossed this one dealer who had like 5 boxes full of Charltons. I mean that really seems all it takes to really have an elite collection (compared to everyone else) is like 5 boxes. I was so impressed when I seen it, I was in heaven wading through them. Because typically I'm finding about one half of a box to one full box. A good selection is 2 boxes. So to see 5 in one spot was major. Problem was, his prices were too high and I think I only bought 1 book from him. Since the bar is so low when it comes to Charltons, that makes my desire to own a decent amount of them more. I think I already own more than any local store around here. And typically when I go to a show I have a better collection than 90% of the dealers. So from here on, it just becomes a collection to be more and more proud of each time I add a piece to it. It doesn't take too much to be proud of a Charlton collection. That's one thing I like about them. |
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Post by gowaltrip on Oct 6, 2010 22:39:44 GMT -5
gowaltrip, I'll see just how many nm charltons he has and what issues. I've been collecting for about the last ten years now and the guy has a whole longbox that are THEE cleanest,nicest books,shiny,white pages,etc, I have ever seen outside of a glass case w/ unreal prices on them. I'll just write down a list and put it up for you, if you see any issue you can't live without I'll get you in touch w/ the guy. Reading your last post.... let me comment that I too was/am inspired by the checklist and would love to see it complete. (and am doing what I can to make that happen) I have a full longbox and a short box of charlton stuff,never thought of it as a impressive collection..lol My feelings on lesser grade stuff is to grab what I can, when I can, as Charltons are hard to find in ANY condition and I can always upgrade any issue found down the road. 159 Fighting marines,,,,heheh, only 118 left to go! d**n jar-heads! Fighting army...only 116 left to go.....Follow ME! Infantry leads the way! Well your description is certainly keeping me interested. I'll certainly be open to seeing what's available. It's not anything that needs to be done in haste, but if you happen upon them and want to do it, I'll certainly look. My strongest interests are probably: The more mainstream heroes they had (Blue Beetle, Capt Atom, The Question, Judo Master, etc) Notable and strong Ditko covers and interiors as well as other notable artists that did work for them. The obscure and hard to find stuff. 1st and Last Issues and really old stuff (Silver Age and older as well as any 75 cent covers which is where the company ended) Cartoon/Funny Animal stuff. TV related..... Well, now that I think of it, pretty much anything. But thats probably pretty close to my order of interests. But Im open to any of it. Especially in great shape. If he's got nice books in nice shape and reasonable prices. I'll listen. Thanks. |
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Post by drew on Jan 23, 2011 18:56:23 GMT -5
I have updated the collection....I now have:
104 issues of fightin marines.
71 issues of fightin army.
36 issues of battlefield action.
@ Gowaltrip,
sorry in the lag of response time ..it's been a while since I got up to the store w/ the clean charltons.
The owner of the store keeps weird hours that don't seem to be what he has posted on his open sign.
he has a vf/nm copy of haunted romances and a couple others.
when I re-looked at his "minty" stuff I realized it was mostly d.c. stuff.
Anyway his store number is 970-667-8713 guys name is kevin. Him and his brother run the place,didn't get his brothers name.
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Post by gowaltrip on Jan 28, 2011 1:45:50 GMT -5
I have updated the collection....I now have: 104 issues of fightin marines. 71 issues of fightin army. 36 issues of battlefield action. @ Gowaltrip, sorry in the lag of response time ..it's been a while since I got up to the store w/ the clean charltons. The owner of the store keeps weird hours that don't seem to be what he has posted on his open sign. he has a vf/nm copy of haunted romances and a couple others. when I re-looked at his "minty" stuff I realized it was mostly d.c. stuff. Anyway his store number is 970-667-8713 guys name is kevin. Him and his brother run the place,didn't get his brothers name. That's a lot more issues of Armed Forces Charltons than I have. Sounds like a nice collection. Too bad about that dealer not having any nice Charlton stuff. I don't think I'll call, but thanks for looking for me. |
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